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10 Sep

Early Game Thread: Sept. 11, Braves at Natspos

Today’s Fun Mets Fact: ESPN has now kicked the Mets out of their “wildcard race” graphic.

121 Responses to “Early Game Thread: Sept. 11, Braves at Natspos”

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    kc Says:

    That’s awesome observation Mac. Anyhow, a team losing six straight in September does not deserve to be in the playoff. They lost consecutive series to the Giants, the Phillis, the Marlins, the Braves, and the Cardinals. It’s time for them to go home.

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    JoeyT Says:

    That actually is a really fun Mets fact, and I’m not sure why.

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    Joel Barrett Says:

    A frequently cited criticism is that Bobby Cox has only won 1 World Series. That the Blue Jays won 2 World Series under Cito Gaston has also been noted periodically.

    One of the reasons that the Blue Jays won 2 World Series is that they were willing to make the sort of traded that the Braves don’t tend to make (at least, not since the disasterous Len Barker trade).

    The 1992 Blue Jays traded a 24-year old Jeff Kent (along with Ryan Thompson) for a 5 week rental of David Cone. Cone only allowed 4 runs in his 2 World Series starts against the Braves, and the Blue Jays won both of his starts. Cone then left as a free agent in the off season.

    Kent has gone on to have what is probably a hall-of-fame career (though fortunately for the Braves, the Mets foolishly traded Kent for Carlos Baerga just as Baerga’s career was collapsing).

    I wonder how many Braves fans would have been willing to trade off a young future hall-of-famer (say a young Chipper or Andruw) in late August for a veteran rental that brought us 1 more World Series victory…

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    JoeyT Says:

    10 years from now, when people are talking about Roman Colon’s hall of fame career, there will be some talk of how the Braves made a mistake trading him to the tigers for a three month rental. Sure, Kyle Farnsworth closed out all four world series wins, but was it worth it?

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    JoeyT Says:

    I haven’t bothered counting, but it might be interesting to note how many Friday Night Xtra games actually occur on Friday Night.

    Not interesting enough for me to spend 5 minutes going through the schedule on or, though.

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    kc Says:

    Then, there is that famous Smoltz – Alexander trade.

    Just wondering because I couldn’t remember, was Jeff Kent that big of a prospect back then? I remember Ryan Thompson was a big deal and Kent was an under-performed prospect stuck behind Alomer. If I remember right, Thompson was actually the key prospect in the Cone trade rather than Kent. Of course, we all know who turned out to have a better career…

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    jenny Says:


    I have time. The answer is 7 out of 15 Xtra broadcasts are on Friday nights. None of them are for the remainder of the season. They’re all on Sundays.

    You’re welcome. ;-)

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    kc Says:

    One thing I have to admit is that I am certainly not the best person to critizise Bobby. I started following the Braves in 1990 (the first of my three years of living in Atlanta, or Marietta to be precise), and Bobby has been everything I have seen and followed closely. I am pretty sure, when Bobby finally retires, I will appreciate more on what Bobby accomplished then what Bobby didn’t.

    And no, I don’t think Gaston is a better manager than Cox and LaRussa. Saying the opposite is like arguing the Mets are better than the Braves, which is hopeless and impossible. At the end, there must be a reason why nobody offers Gaston another chance even though the Blue Jays won two World Series under him.

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    Kevin Lee Says:

    I have enjoyed this discusion of Bobby for many reasons:
    1)We’ve all been able to stop worrying about LaRoche for awhile.
    2)Nobody brought up the “genius” of Sparky Anderson.
    3)In the glorious anxiety that comes from cheering for a team with this many rookies with incredible upside but no playoff experience; at least I have someone I know how to fret about.

    It’s a Sunday in September. Time for the Braves to send a message; to expose another pretender in the gNatspos. To put them away.

    Go Braves!

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    JoeyT Says:

    Load the bases for LaRoche.

    This will happen EVERY day LaRoche hits fifth.

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    jenny Says:

    Ok, I just tuned in. Bobby has GOT to stop hitting LaRoche fifth. A walk, a HBP, a double, an IBB, and then a sac fly. At least he got it out of the infield and didn’t GIDP!

    And is Marcus okay? Where did it hit him?

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    diggler Says:

    it didnt even hit him.just grazed his shirt

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    David Remy Says:

    Good point about Sparky Anderson. I think Jim Leyland also has to be included in there somewhere.

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    Oh, why not? Furcalometer.

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    Hank who?

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    Mac Thomason Says:


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    jenny Says:

    48. And thar she blows.

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    Mike Says:

    Anyone else think that sounded like a metal bat?

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    JoeyT Says:

    I think this Furcalometer might be just as revealing.

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    jenny Says:

    Skip: “Langerhans is really a good outfielder.”

    Thank you for that gem, Skip.

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    jenny Says:

    And ha ha, Joey.

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    JoeyT Says:

    Giles should change his middle name to “Doubles”

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    Frank Says:

    I am going to kill John Halama. Then I’m going to kill Jim Bowden. No jury will convict me.

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    jenny Says:

    Doubles machine.

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    jenny Says:

    The Nats radio guys just called Andruw “You-know-who.”

    They are afraid of the name. Good.

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    jenny Says:

    Wow that inning lasted about 30 seconds.

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    David Remy Says:

    So far, Smoltz has thrown something like thirty-six pitches.

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    The Nationals Says:

    We have officially given up. See you next year!

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    Drewdat Says:

    Wow. Thanks for the concession.

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    You know, part of Washington’s problem may be that those Red Cross decals on those same colored helmets make them look like the Swiss National Team.

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    spike Says:

    Joe and Chip are the worst broadcasting duo in the world. Their hackneyed attempts at political commentary make it even worse.

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    spike Says:

    And now Lee Greenwood. I almost wish it was blacked out.

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    Frank Says:

    Here they go again. No lead is safe with this pen.

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    diggler Says:

    boyer hasnt been very effective in late innings. bobby probably used him in the 6th inning for a reason

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    Smitty Says:

    Wait, I thought the hats said they gave up?

    Smoltz should have 5 more wins than he does.

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    utjunkie Says:

    booo come one bullpen

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    latnam Says:

    I feel ill.

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    spike Says:

    Yay – we get to lose with our best reliever on the bench AGAIN.

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    Mike Clay Says:

    …where is everyone who bashed Cox for not pitching Boyer in the eighth?

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    utjunkie Says:

    laroche is hurt

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    spike Says:

    Finally, Laroche does something to help the team – at least he won’t hit again.

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    Smitty Says:

    Well, LaRoche is done

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    David Remy Says:

    The wheels have come off the wagon–again.

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    msn Says:

    Hey, what happened to LaRoche?

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    And it’s up to Reitsma. Sigh.

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    JoeyT Says:

    Sigh? He’ll totally get out of this.

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    74 freaking pitches and Smoltz has to leave.

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    David Remy Says:

    If he doesn’t, it’s back to the asterisks.

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    Smoltz would be totally justified if he took a machete to the bullpen.

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    diggler Says:

    farnsworth should have pitched with the bases loaded.

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    Frank Says:

    They tied it up (the pen did, not the Nationals). I can’t believe it.

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    Frank Says:

    No, wait, they have taken the lead!!

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    Frank Says:

    If Bobby brings in Farnsworth NOW I’m gonna f*#’ing kill him.

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    JoeyT Says:

    Why take Reitsma out here? Two fly outs and a single is hardly being lit up. Are the lefty/righty splits on the next batter really bad?

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    Why didn’t Smoltz start the eighth?

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    Frank Says:

    This way, we have ZERO chance in October, no matter who we play.

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    Frank Says:

    Why did’t Smoltz start the 8th?

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    ice Says:

    at least now hopefully bobby will see that it should be mcbride and not foster as the first lefty out of the pen

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    JoeyT Says:

    Giles hits a homer in the next inning, scoring Furcal, and Farnsworth closes. Just watch.

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    johnb Says:

    The most amazing thing is that the pen has conceded 5 runs and kolb isn’t involved. It might be more otherwise …

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    McBride’s first appearance in a week. At this point you almost have to make Ramirez the #3 starter in the playoffs just so you have Sosa in the bullpen.

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    Charlie Says:

    no disrespect to bobby, and i understand today that the guys just sucked.

    but have you noticed he doesn’t just stop using these guys? Farnsworth, Boyer, and maybe a couple others are usually successful. yet, he doesn’t always use them.

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    jenny Says:

    Un-freaking-believable. How does this happen AGAIN?

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    Frank Says:

    Yeah, just like he saw it shoult be Julio at first and not LaDoubleplay

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    JoeyT Says:

    ice, McBride hasn’t been that much better. More strikeouts, true, but he has control problems, too.

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    ryan c Says:

    i hate our bullpen. if the bullpen converts just 4 of john’s win opportunities, then he could have had a chance at 20 wins this year. if they could have converted all of them he would be winning his 20th today. if i was smoltz, i would probably be in jail right now.

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    Frank Says:

    @JoeyT: Too late, I already shot my dog.

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    JoeyT Says:

    Fine, Giles can homer Orr in instead. Whatever.

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    johnb Says:

    7 runs conceded on 6 hits is a scandal ….. go Julio ….

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    Julio is so much better than LaRoche that it’s not funny, more sad.

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    David Remy Says:

    Looks like Hollandsworth will play first.

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    David Remy Says:

    ryan c, good to see you back!

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    JoeyT Says:

    Come on, Furcal. No double play.

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    basil Says:

    How bad was Laroche hurt?

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    JoeyT Says:


    (Although, in this particular instance, he could be right.)

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    I hope Hollandsworth gets to play first. It depends upon there being a bottom of the ninth.

    I do not believe this crap.

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    ice Says:

    joey, mcbride had one bad appearance against st. louis remember? and we need those strikeouts in situations where you dont want runners to move up…

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    NMS Says:

    its ok
    chippers gonna spank it and then andruws gonna hit a walk off to win it

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    johnb Says:

    cometh the hour …

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    JoeyT Says:


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    Mac Thomason Says:


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    latnam Says:


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    johnb Says:

    GET IN

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    David Remy Says:


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    Frank Says:


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    jenny Says:

    YES! My life is worthwhile again.

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    NMS Says:

    actually i clearly meant chipper was gonna hit the go ahead HR…of course i stupidly forgot there wouldnt be a walkoff since the braves are on the road

    God i am good

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    JoeyT Says:

    I just can NOT believe that.

    Chipper is a god.

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    That was a long home run.

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    Frank Says:

    It’s not over boys!

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    Joe, if Andruw wants to take out four or five members of the bullpen, I say let him.

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    latnam Says:


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    JoeyT Says:

    Chipper and Andruw: “We are NOT putting up with this crap. This game is ours.”

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    David Remy Says:

    ˇOtra vez más!

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    And that was where Frank Howard used to hit them. Andruwometer, again.

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    Frank Says:

    The most bizarre game I have ever seen.

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    JoeyT Says:

    And if Julio doesn’t get that hit, Chipper and Andruw never come up.

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    NMS Says:

    so now that the rosters are at 40 why couldnt the Nats have called up a their 4th starter from AAA just to eat up mopup innings so they wouldnt destroy their pen by overuse

    i dont think going w a commitee of relievers is the worst idea when you dont have a starter but when you have 15 spare roster spots why can’t pick up a few more pitchers?

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    diggler Says:

    i think andruw was a little happy.

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    Frank Says:

    If we win it, a great game after all. W and LaRoche out.

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    mln Says:

    why would they still be pitching to Andruw? they’re nuts!

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    johnb Says:

    Let’s not forget how bad the pen is though ….. we are toast in the playoffs. The ‘stros will never let that happen

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    NMS Says:

    “How bad was Laroche hurt? ”

    i missed the first 8 and a half inings…what happened here. im getting excited about the possibility of a lack of laroche

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    NMS, the Natspos are “over budget” so the “team president” (that is, the MLB patsy) isn’t letting them add too many players from AAA. That they’ve made a lot more money than the original budget called for doesn’t matter. Plus there’s apparently a war going on between Robinson and Bowden, and Robinson is probably doing this to make a point.

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    Smitty Says:

    I just want to say: “COUNT IT!”

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    Smitty Says:

    They showed Chipper and Andruw in the dugout before the inning and they looked pissed. I say we all write letters saying terrible things to Andruw and Chipper to keep them pissed.

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    JoeyT Says:

    I say this every time. Farnsworth is ridiculous.

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    NMS Says:

    “NMS, the Natspos are “over budget” so the “team president” (that is, the MLB patsy) isn’t letting them add too many players from AAA. That they’ve made a lot more money than the original budget called for doesn’t matter. Plus there’s apparently a war going on between Robinson and Bowden, and Robinson is probably doing this to make a point.”

    wow, thats just stoopid
    if a team cant afford to call up one or 2 guys for a week-esp when they are in a race and could use a body to help an over worked staff-they need to join the international league

    also what are the odds cordero has arm surgery in the next few years? it seems like they work him like a dog

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    NMS Says:

    oh would anyone else have pinch hit livan for guzman?

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    JoeyT Says:

    Chip isn’t very bright. He needs to stop talking.

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    Smitty Says:

    I can’t beleive we won that game

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    David Remy Says:

    You know what’s scary? The Braves nearly gave the game away, and Kolbb didn’t make an appearance.

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    Mike Clay Says:

    The following dialogue took place between Jenny and I just after i witnessed the homers:

    jenny: and this in RFK! there is no such thing as a bomb in that park. everything just creeps over the wall. unless he managed to get it in the upper deck
    me: Chipper and andruw just went upperdeck

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    Frank Says:

    What will Smoltzie be thinking now?

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    Smitty Says:

    Did Brower pitch?

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    diggler Says:

    he started the 8th and got no one out.two men reached base i think.

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    Kirk Says:

    That was Boyer. Neither Brower nor Kolb was involved in this particular meltdown.

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    Kyle S Says:

    Didn’t the nationals make something like $15 million more than they were expecting to because attendance was so good? Yeah, calling up a few guys from AAA is really going to kill that profit.

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    diggler Says:

    yeaaah sorry my bad misread the post.

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    basil Says:

    Did Chip use his lame Blaine Boyer “I didn’t come up here to give up runs” anecdote which he stole from Don and has repeated on at least three occassions? And which was lame the three times I heard Don tell it?

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    Mac Thomason Says:

    I expect that the lack of callups has less to do with payroll and more to do with the owners of the Astros, Phillies, and Marlins calling Bud and saying that they’ll raise a stink if MLB lets the Natspos spend any more money.

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