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06 May

Craig Kimbrel

Craig Kimbrel Minor League Statistics & History –

Throws hard, bad control. Kimbrel, a short righthander from Huntsville, was drafted from a junior college in the third round in 2008, and has rocketed up the system basically because nobody can hit him: he’s allowed only 53 hits, only two of them homers, in 110 1/3 career minor league innings, while striking out 180. Simply put, he’s too good for the minor leagues.

But there’s a problem. Kimbrel has walked 65 men in those 110 1/3 innings pitched, and at times completely loses the strike zone, highlighted by his 28 walks in 26 1/3 innings at Myrtle Beach last season. Pitching at four levels last year, he also threw ten wild pitches. It’s very hard to use a short reliever with control difficulties like this in any role but closer, because you don’t want to bring him in with runners on base. His control has been better so far this year, but it’s very early and the sample size is small.

If Kimbrel can harness his control, and if he can stay healthy, he could be awesome, and I have little doubt that he will have a significant major league career. The question is if that’s going to be in Atlanta or two or three stops down the road. I hope he makes it, not only for the Braves’ sake but to fill the vacant closer spot on the all-time all-Alabama team.

216 Responses to “Craig Kimbrel”

  1. 1
    csg Says:

    melky does nothing well. Im tired of seeing scrubs on the field daily and knowing that we have nothing to replace them with. Could you imagine writing Melky a check at the end of the year for $3 mil and saying thanks?

    I guess Bobby thinks Nate is more likely to clear the pitcher and thats why he’s 8th

  2. 2
    ryan c Says:

    i don’t know how legit jayson stark’s posts are, but via mlbtr, he says we’re “actively looking” for offense.

  3. 3
    justhank Says:

    Hey Mac,

    How is baseball regarded at Bammer? Looks like a solid (if unspectacular) program.

    Anybody watch the Texas v. Baylor game the other night? The atmosphere was incredible in Austin. Felt like a football game.

    Just now beginning to realize the scope of damage to Nashville. Unbelievable.

  4. 4
    BFedRec Says:

    Because the coverage of Nashville was wonky I’ve not really gotten a feel for how it compared to the big-ass flooding in Atlanta not that long ago (I know of a lot of heavily damaged houses and such from that).

  5. 5
    justhank Says:

    Someone said you could swim from the balcony to the stage at the Grand Ole Opry.

    I think Nashville got hit a LOT harder than Atlanta.

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    Robert Says:

    Is it fair to say he’s the best bullpen arm we’ve developed and kept (Feliz) since Wohlers?

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    Andrew B Says:


    Infante – SS
    Prado – 2B
    Jones – 3B
    Glaus – 1B
    Diaz – LF
    Ross – C
    Cabrera – RF
    McLouth – CF
    Hudson – P


    Morgan – CF
    Kennedy – 2B
    Zimmerman – 3B
    Dunn – 1B
    Willingham – LF
    Rodriguez – C
    Desmond – SS
    Bernadina – RF
    Olsen – P

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    spike (back in the USA) Says:

    @4. It’s a scale much larger than Atlanta, which occurred in relatively low population density areas. A significant part of downtown Nashville was under several feet of water at some point.

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    Jason C Says:

    Head case or no, Rocker was a pretty good pitcher for a while.

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    justhank Says:

    My son and I were having a steroids discussion and HGH came up. I find I can’t answer why HGH is bad for humans. Can anyone help?


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    jorgbacca Says:

    For what its worth Jayson Stark’s new article talks about how the Marlins are probably about to call up Mike Stanton. If they do he said look for Stanton to play right, Cody Ross to play center, and either Maybin or Coghlan to play left. The loser of the left field battle would either get traded or sent to the minors.

    What’s the chances we’d want either, and what they would want back in return would be worth it?

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    sdp Says:

    Coghlan >> Melky

    I wouldn’t really have much interest in Maybin.

  13. 13
    Dusty Says:

    Sickels has a first round and supplemental round mock draft up and his projection for the Braves first pick should surprise no one although I’d really love to add a bunch of hitters in this draft.

    35) Atlanta Braves: Cam Bedrosian, RHP, East Coweta HS, Senoia, Georgia Home state and home team connection for a live-armed pitcher, a perfect fit for the Braves

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    sansho1 Says:

    Between the two, I’d much rather have Maybin. Their minor league numbers are very similar, but Maybin was two years younger per level. And I don’t trust Coghlan’s 2009 — looks more like a fluke season than a breakout.

    But neither would supply the power that’s our real need. Baserunners we got.

    Edit: Wow, a friend of mine used to babysit Cam Bedrosian. I’m old!

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    csg Says:

    #10 – side effects of HGH use per Mayo Clinic

    high blood pressure
    carpel tunnel syndrome
    muscle pains
    abnormal bone growth
    hardening of the arteries

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    csg Says:

    Braves should see what the Nats would want for Willingham or Dunn. Dont know if they would move either, depends on if they believe they have a legit shot with Strasburg coming up soon

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    justhank Says:

    Thanks, csg.

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    sdp Says:

    Totally missed Pete Van Wieren’s book being released!

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    P. W. Hjort Says:

    Brett DeVall was recently activated, BTW. Don’t know if he’s going to pitch out of Rome’s rotation or bullpen.

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    ryan c Says:

    rome has already played today and schafer didnt start. anyone know the reason?

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    Rob Cope Says:

    I would love to have Chris Coughlan. He’d already be our best outfielder, and he’s only been playing the OF for 2 seasons.

    Wren, find us a hitter!

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    spike (back in the USA) Says:

    No one from this division is going to bail us out. Not before the allstar break certainly, and not if they have a better record than us, which they all currently do.

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    sdp Says:

    Chip just called Scott Olson a “talented, young left-hander.” I mean, yeah, he’s in MLB, but…

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    jjschiller Says:

    I want Alex Gordon.

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    jjschiller Says:

    So Chip has a cold I guess?

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    urlhix Says:

    Sick Chip actually sounds better than regular Chip. More resonant. The medication helps bring down the annoyance level, too.

  27. 27
    urlhix Says:

    Sick Chip and the Medications. :-)

  28. 28
    Jon K Says:

    Hgh has no effect on muscle growth… Zero. You won’t get muscle hypertrophy using hgh

  29. 29
    jjschiller Says:

    HGH gives you x-ray vision and a lot of great ideas about the future.

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    RehabReject Says:

    end of the 2nd… due up in the top of the 3rd: 192, 185, and 182 BA’s!

  31. 31
    jjschiller Says:

    Do we all agree that Homeplate Umpire Bill Miller is a clown?

  32. 32
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    @31: I think Hudson would. As would Joe Simpson.

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    jjschiller Says:

    And Diaz, McLouth, and Infante…. And gameday, for that matter.

  34. 34
    Robert Says:

    You won’t get muscle hypertrophy using hgh

    …by itself.

  35. 35
    braves14 Says:

    The umpire is a Natinals fan.

  36. 36
    Jon K Says:

    Yeah its a myth that hgh has the same effect as an anabolic steroid. Pharmacologically hgh has no direct mechanism of action on skeletal muscle

  37. 37
    sdp Says:

    Any of you good ole boys know a fix for this?

    I can pop it back in, but the air against the car pops it back out while driving. I’m thinking some sort of bonding agent, but I don’t want to go applying something without getting some opinions. I guess things like this crop up at 140,000 miles.

  38. 38
    Jon K Says:

    And on a side note, diaz sucks

  39. 39
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Seriously, are the Braves about to get no-hit for the 2nd time this season? And by Scott Freakin’ Olsen? Really? I mean, Jimenez was one thing, but Olsen?

  40. 40
    ryan c Says:

    no hit through 5 by olsen is worse than being no hit through 9 by jimenez.

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    Stu Says:

    Olsen’s getting an awful lot of help from the home plate umpire. Seriously brutal.

  42. 42
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    @41: True. Very true.

  43. 43
    Douglass Says:

    The Braves suck.

    The homeplate umpire sucks. (Haven’t seen anything quite like this in a while. Unbelievable.)

    And oh yeah, Chip sucks. I’m going to kill him one day, as I’ve told you all many, many times.

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    RehabReject Says:

    is it because we watch mostly Braves games … or does bad, awful stuff like an aging catcher who is now off the juice hitting his 1st HR of the year only happen to us?

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    braves14 Says:

    This umpire is full of it.

  46. 46
    drew Says:

    Mac, can you revive AwfulUmpiring for this one?

  47. 47
    Ben Says:

    Has any team ever been no-hit twice in two and a half weeks?

  48. 48
    Douglass Says:

    Ump just completely jobbed Infante. Neither of those first two pitches were strikes. I’m not usually one to complain about umpiring but this is beyond absurd. What the hell is wrong with this guy?

  49. 49
    braves14 Says:

    This is the ghost of Eric Gregg. And he’s calling balls on the same pitches for Huddy.

    He has money on the Natinals.

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    jjschiller Says:

    Miller is, at this point, trying to make a point to the hitters. I sense Bobby and/or one of our hitters getting tossed.

    Miller is entering Bill Hohn territory.

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    Douglass Says:

    The next Brave to go down looking, Bobby’s getting tossed, as he should. I can feel it. It’s got all the ingredients of a contrived Cox umpire badgering: Ump legitmately fucking us over, down 1 in a close game, Braves are sleep walking and need to be woken up, etc.

  52. 52
    braves14 Says:

    Kennedy did not try to get out of the way.

  53. 53
    drew Says:

    Are they sleepwalking or just inept?

  54. 54
    sdp Says:

    I hate Chip Caray. In Pudge’s first AB, he was talking about his HR decline and how he hadn’t hit one yet this season.

    Chip is a reason this team is so terrible.

  55. 55
    jjschiller Says:

    That was a pretty good play there by Prado. But I think a better second baseman probably makes it in a more traditional fashion.

  56. 56
    Douglass Says:

    Conversation tonight between Chip and Joe has been especially bad.

  57. 57
    braves14 Says:

    Chip, next time call in sick. We would prefer that.

  58. 58
    braves14 Says:

    Signs that the team is bad:
    1. a 9 game losing streak
    2. Getting no-hit twice in less than 3 weeks.

  59. 59
    jjschiller Says:

    I don’t think I’ve been this frustrated watching a baseball game in years.

  60. 60
    ryan c Says:

    this is frickin’ insane…

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    Dan Says:

    This team is going to get no-hit again.

    But Cox will say it’s just a coincidence that both pitchers just happened to have their best stuff working against the Braves, specifically. The offense is fine.

  62. 62
    RehabReject Says:

    3. A 20 year old leads your team in all offensive categories

  63. 63
    Hanan Says:

    So I just got home and turned the game on. No hit again? really???

    Frank Wren will soon be doing his Kevin Bacon/Animal House parade chaos “ALL IS WELL” routine to try and calm the angry masses.

  64. 64
    Jon K Says:

    Don’t worry its even worse being here at the gamD

  65. 65
    RJ in KS Says:

    Jon K,
    Run down to the Natinals dugout and yell something about the no-hitter, please.

  66. 66
    RehabReject Says:

    I want to laugh but this is just ridiculous

  67. 67
    Brian J. Says:

    Jon, you shouldn’t have yelled “Throw a gopher ball!” to Hudson.

  68. 68
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    So if you’re a Braves pitcher, does it bother you that it doesn’t matter at all how you pitch? I mean, unless you throw a shutout you have about a 3.5% chance of getting a win.

  69. 69
    braves14 Says:

    64 — Make sure to enjoy your Keystone Light and chicken wings while screaming “you have a no-hitter” as loud as you can.

  70. 70
    billy-jay Says:


    I’d say so. It bothers me and I’m not a pitcher.

  71. 71
    Smitty Says:

    If we get no hit, I am for trading for a bat and soon. I am not a panic guy, but this team really needs some pop in the middle of the order, and if we are going to contend, we need to get that bat soon.

  72. 72
    jjschiller Says:

    I’d probably tell Wren “You really gotta make a trade and get some offense in here.” And then I’d volunteer to be traded.

  73. 73
    Douglass Says:

    Chip’s ability to wrongly describe every pitch is incredible.

  74. 74
    billy-jay Says:

    I’m pretty sure we need to trade for a bat (or two) regardless of whether this turns out to be a no-hitter.

  75. 75
    Seat Painter Says:

    I *KNEW* Jimenez wasn’t THAT good!

  76. 76
    braves14 Says:

    Tim Hudson is a one man team out there tonight.

  77. 77
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    I’m starting to suspect that Fate is real, and it hates us.

  78. 78
    braves14 Says:

    I’m starting to suspect this team might be a seller.

  79. 79
    Brian J. Says:

    Honestly, did these guys just give up when Heyward wasn’t able to play tonight?

  80. 80
    braves14 Says:

    Fuck you, Bill Miller.

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    RJ in KS Says:

    Who is accountable for this suckfest?

  82. 82
    Douglass Says:


  83. 83
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Thank God.

  84. 84
    braves14 Says:

    At least we won’t get no-hit!

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    Brian J. Says:


  86. 86
    drew Says:

    You have got to be kidding me. (the Diaz strikeout not the Ross single)

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    urlhix Says:


  88. 88
    ralphdibny Says:

    OK, those of you watching–was that Diaz at-bat as bad as Gamecast made it out to be?

  89. 89
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Hey, Melky Cabrera got on base, and he almost did so by getting a hit!

  90. 90
    RehabReject Says:

    It feels like we won the pennant or something.
    This team is disgusting.

  91. 91
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    I’m amazed that Desmond didn’t catch Ross’ liner. Or that Miller didn’t call him out for stepping out of the batter’s box.

  92. 92
    braves14 Says:

    If Hudson’s spot comes up, you have to hit for him.

  93. 93
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    According to MASN’s pitch tracker, the Diaz third strike was just barely on the black.

  94. 94
    RehabReject Says:

    all three of his K’s have been way out of the strike zone
    i’m watching it on SS and that final K was a good 5 inches inside

  95. 95
    Douglass Says:

    @88 all three Diaz strikeouts were. To the naked eye and confirmed on the replay.

  96. 96
    Stu Says:

    Is there a single guy on the team other than Diaz who wouldn’t have absolutely lost his sh*t and gotten ejected after thrice being wrongly called out on strikes? I absolutely love Diaz, but I kinda wish he’d blown up there.

  97. 97
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:


  98. 98
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    @93- According to that Fox graphic they put up onscreen in the Braves broadcast, it was 6 inches inside.

  99. 99
    ryan c Says:

    heyward on deck

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    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:


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    Spike Says:


  102. 102
    RehabReject Says:

    I hope Heyward hits it 500 ft and shames the entire club

  103. 103
    Douglass Says:

    Not even close to Snitkered. Ross would have been out by 30 feet.

  104. 104
    drew Says:

    Dunno if that’s Snitkering so much as a catcher running in a situation where one run doesn’t make that much difference.

  105. 105
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    No, there was no Snitkering. The right fielder was playing pretty shallow and he was all over that single. Ross would have been out at home — he’s not particularly fast for a catcher. It was the right call to hold him at third.

  106. 106
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Does Jim Riggleman know you can make a substitution without making a double switch? Or did he go to the Tony LaRussa School of Overmanaging?

  107. 107
    RehabReject Says:

    I’d still go back and check the replay. Snitker probably was waving him home and Ross has half a brain.

  108. 108
    Stu Says:

    102—I hope he fouls it off of Bill Miller’s nut-sack.

  109. 109
    jjschiller Says:

    We GOTTA get one here.

  110. 110
    RobBroad4th Says:

    The Nats announcers said that pitch was “right down Broadway” even though it was clearly inside on the K zone.

  111. 111
    HawkeyeFan Says:

    I know Clippard is pretty good and everything, but wouldn’t you want to keep the lefty-on-lefty matchup with Olsen against Heyward? Did I miss something here?

  112. 112
    Douglass Says:

    Random note: When I met and hung out with Kelly Johnson a couple years ago (great, nice guy. We have a common friend. Not so good at pool, though. 8) ) I asked him who his least favorite player in all of baseball was. He said Scott Olson. Said he didn’t like hitting against him, but the main reason was that he is a huge douche of a person. Apparently this was a commonly held opinion on the Braves.

  113. 113
    c. shorter Says:

    Mr. Heyward!

  114. 114
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    There are no words. I want to bear every single one of Jason Heyward’s 99 children.

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    Douglass Says:


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    ryan c Says:


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    Randy Says:


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    braves14 Says:

    Jason Heyward is indescribably good.

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    RehabReject Says:


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    sdp Says:

    He didn’t hit a grand slam. I am dissapointed.

  121. 121
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Give the Melkster some credit– he really did a nice job running the bases there. Great jump and he kept the play at home from being close. Practically scored ahead of Ross.

  122. 122
    billy-jay Says:

    He seems okay.

  123. 123
    billy-jay Says:

    For a rookie, I mean.

  124. 124
    Stu Says:

    I would kiss him on the mouth, and my wife wouldn’t even mind.

  125. 125
    drew Says:

    haha, with heyward done, the team immediately reverts to sucking.

  126. 126
    braves14 Says:

    112 — Well, he did have that DUI a couple of years back.

  127. 127
    ryan c Says:

    you’ve gotta be kidding me…

  128. 128
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    True enough, Chip. Melky hustled there. And the ball he hit that Ryan Zimmerman threw away was scalded down the line — Zimmerman did a good job just getting it.

    Ah, damn it, Omar. Hit it hard but right at the shortstop, whereas if he’d just lifted it to the outfield we’d have gotten the go-ahead run.

  129. 129
    Brian J. Says:

    And Omar reminds us what team we’re following.

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    Ben Says:

  131. 131
    Stu Says:

    Chip Caray: “And the J-Hey Kid, on Willie Mays’s birthday, no less … Say, ‘Hey,’ indeed.”

    I mean…

  132. 132
    RJ in KS Says:

    And the legend grows.

  133. 133
    RehabReject Says:

    If Heyward hadn’t been pinch run for, he would’ve broken up that double play and hit a 3-run HR with his mind.

  134. 134
    NickC Says:

    #112, beat up his wife, didn’t he?

  135. 135
    Ben Says:

    So what’s the over under on # of days till Heyward’s average passes Prado’s?

  136. 136
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    @130- I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say that if you have a Wikipedia page documenting your doucheness, you’re a major douche.

  137. 137
    drew Says:

    Do you think we could dress Jason up in disguises and keep pinch hitting him every inning? Like maybe a variety of mustaches or something.

  138. 138
    billy-jay Says:


    I think he could pass for Glaus.

  139. 139
    Brian J. Says:

    He’d have to crouch to play the middle infielders, and we’d need a lot of pancake makeup… and if we couldn’t afford even one other decent outfielder, what’s the chance that we’ll spend money for the props he needs?

  140. 140
    RehabReject Says:

    yes Chip, Bobby did a great job of managing that last inning.

    Bobby: “Hmmm”
    *looks into dugout, sees a big red neon sign that says “Hall of Famer” on Heyward’s head*

  141. 141
    Seat Painter Says:

    I *KNEW* Heyward was THAT good.

  142. 142
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Chip: “Martin Prado….CHECKS HIS SWING!!!…and fouls it away in self-defense…” I’m coming to the conclusion that not even cold medicine can stop his suckiness.

  143. 143
    braves14 Says:

    I see the Natinals are going to let Clippard’s arm fall off.

  144. 144
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Okay, all you math nerds:

    Is |Jason Heyward| > |Chip Caray|?

    Or is |Jason Heyward| < |Chip Caray|? Does Heyward rock more than Chip sucks, or vice versa?

  145. 145
    billy-jay Says:


    Heyward made an out one time, so I think I’d go with the latter.

  146. 146
    drew Says:

    so long as there is a mute button, |Jason Heyward| > |Chip Caray|

  147. 147
    Stu Says:

    144—The latter, and it’s not particularly close.

  148. 148
    Ben Says:

    It appears that Heyward is now first in NL RBI and 4th in HR

  149. 149
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    This is fun.

    Is |Pete Van Wieren| > |Melky Cabrera|?

    Or is |Pete Van Wieren| < |Melky Cabrera|?

  150. 150
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Did they just hype the Bobby Cocks (6-game) Package on SportSouth?

  151. 151
    Stu Says:

    149—The former. Now, involve Bill Miller, please.

  152. 152
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:


    Is |Red Sox Nation| > |Bill Miller|?

    Or is |Red Sox Nation| < |Bill Miller|?

  153. 153
    Stu Says:

    Pretty surprised we’re not seeing McCann here.

  154. 154
    RJ in KS Says:

    How about a bases loaded walk?

  155. 155
    Stu Says:

    152—My brain just exploded.

  156. 156
    braves14 Says:

    Well, bringing in McCann would mean that the Natinals would pull this struggling reliever for the LOOGY.

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    braves14 Says:


  158. 158
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    DAMN IT.

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    RobBroad4th Says:


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    ryan c Says:

    crap….this really is mind boggling.

  161. 161
    Stu Says:

    Pretty awful.

  162. 162
    Jon K Says:

    Jesus christ these nat fans are annoying. Not cool david ross not cool

  163. 163
    Stu Says:

    156—I know. I’m just surprised Bobby didn’t do it.

  164. 164
    jjschiller Says:

    Twice a flyball would win it and we fail.

    When does Heyward’s spot come up again? Oh, what?

  165. 165
    Ben Says:

    Double switch now to put McCann in 9 spot?

  166. 166
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Yikes. Good thing we’re going into the Philly series with two of our best starters — Lowe (5.18) and Kawakami (5.47). Is it a bad sign that the best starter of the 3 for the Braves has been a middle reliever all year?

  167. 167
    ryan c Says:

    can we spraypaint heyward, cut his legs off to his knees and pretend he’s brooks conrad?

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    Stu Says:


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    marc Schneider Says:

    How are the Nat fans annoying? When I went there were probably more braves fans.

    This team is truly amazing? How does TP keep his job?

  170. 170
    Hanan Says:

    So the offense is a gimpy Heyward and that’s about it. Lovely.

  171. 171
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Oh no.

  172. 172
    Stu Says:

    This is going to suck.

  173. 173
    braves14 Says:

    Well, it’s not looking good.

  174. 174
    Brian J. Says:

    Honestly, a mass Gwinnett callup couldn’t be worse, could it?

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    braves14 Says:


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    ryan c Says:

    we fucking suck.

  177. 177
    Jon K Says:

    F me. This place is pandamonium. Fml back to the metro this team sucks

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    RehabReject Says:

    Willie Harris.

    good night.

  179. 179
    Covert Says:

    what a terrible team.

  180. 180
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Welp, you’re not gonna win many games with three of your best hitters out of the game. And Melky in RF. Sigh…

  181. 181
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    This team doesn’t deserve Jason Heyward.

  182. 182
    jjschiller Says:

    I’m embarrassed to be a Braves Fan. That’s a first for me.

  183. 183
    Frank Says:

    With the start he’s off to, Heyward will be the first player in history to hit a 5-run homer.

  184. 184
    marspr Says:

    And the Braves will lose that game 6-5…

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    csg Says:

    I dont feel like scrolling through the comments since I just got here, but a couple of things

    this team sucks
    why didnt McCann hit for Ross vs the RH
    last two innings and a guy at 3rd with 1 out and dont score
    Bobby is useless
    Melky is useless
    our offense is putrid

  186. 186
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Is |The Godfather, Parts 1 & 2| > |the degree to which the Braves suck|?

    Or is |The Godfather, Parts 1 & 2| < |the degree to which the Braves suck|?

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    jjschiller Says:

    If McCann hit the lefty would have come in. And Clippard was struggling. Ross versus righty with zero command is likely as good or better than McCann versus lefty who we don’t know if he’s on or not.

    McCann wouldn’t have gotten the job done anyway. McCann has been putrid lately.

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    csg Says:

    Id still take my chances with McCann, our cleanup hitter and best hitter on the team the last two years, over Ross no matter the matchup

  189. 189
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Ross broke up the no-hitter, and he’s been better than most of the hitters in our lineup.

  190. 190
    Jeremy Says:

    Not only is this team not very good but they’re also incredibly boring to watch.

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    jjschiller Says:

    I just disagree csg. All we needed was a flyball. Ross just should have gotten it done. McCann against Burnett has a greater likely hood of strike out than Ross against Clippard when you could see Clippard had no idea where the ball was going.

    Ross just didn’t get it done.

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    Frank Says:

    @184–good call

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    jjschiller Says:

    Also, the game was tied, in the ninth, and your catcher, McCann and a defensively useless Hinske are your last players on the bench. I don’t think you can pinch hit for position players when you’re down that far. You have to save those guys to hit for pitchers.

    And if you force Riggleman to bring his only lefty in, you give him a shot to use him against McCann, turn Melky around to his weaker side, McLouth, AND Hinske, who would have been the only guy left to hit for the pitcher.

    I think staying with Ross was the right move. He just didn’t get the job done.

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    csg Says:

    #189 – Ross is hitting .269, BMAC is hitting .243…with that difference Ill take the 4 time allstar/ 3 time silver slugger. Either way, this team is awful and its fine if people disagree with me. I thought it would be the right move to make, but I understand why it wasnt done also

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    jjschiller Says:

    Yeah I gotcha. I wouldn’t have been jumping up and down angry if McCann had come up to hit. I’m probably just arguing because I hate this team.

    Goodnight all.

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    csg Says:

    anyone got the feeling of a 4 game losing streak on its way? Lowe, Medlen, KK vs the Phils and a chance of just 1AB per night for Heyward?

    Wren should call about Carlos Lee? yes, I know he sucks right now also

  197. 197
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    I’d take a look at Lee, but he’s owed $55.5 million. The Stros’d have to kick in one heck of a lot of chump change for that to be worthwhile.

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    csg Says:

    yeah theyd need to take Lowe or KK along with any prospects we’d send in the deal

  199. 199
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Also, the Hawks were playing great before the Braves lost. Now, apparently, they want to make the Braves feel better by giving this game away.

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    c. shorter Says:

    The Astros are contenders, why would they trade a star?

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    td Says:

    The final strike call on Diaz’s third K was criminal. The ball was well inside and low. I don’t usually complain about a strike call, but it was like the ump was doing his best to keep the no-hitter alive. At least one of the two other strike out calls on Diaz was also bad.

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    csg Says:

    #200 – if there is a team worse than the Braves its the Astros.

  203. 203
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    The Astros are the worst team in the league. By a lot.

  204. 204
    c. shorter Says:

    I included a “/Atros FO” tag at the end, but it didn’t show up. Guess it thought it was a real tag.

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    csg Says:

    hell lets get Bourn/Lee/Berkman/Oswalt for Lowe/Nate/Melky/Glaus

    just saw this post on the ajc, sad thing its true

    “It’s not Bobby’s fault that he can’t polish a turd. We just need better turds.”

  206. 206
    Rusty S. Says:

    @144 – Conundrum. An irresistable rocker meets an immovable suck.

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    Tiger224 Says:

    Another disappointing series loss. And to be that close to another no-no makes it even worse.

    Admittedly, I’m no fan of Frank Wren (or Bud Selig or Liberty Media, for that matter). But I’ve seen folks say several times essentially “Wren made the right moves given the budget”.

    At what point does Wren’s lack of track record kick in and the Braves determine that he’s not the trigger-puller we need, given the situation? Lack of execution can seemingly go on only so far.

    Other teams have certainly gotten more traction out of less investment. How long does this crap go on?


    the frothing knee jerker

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    sdp Says:

    Braves’ offense if Heyward were not on the team:

    98 R, 187 H, 42 2B, 2 3B, 10 HR, 81 RBI, 111 BB, 164 SO

  209. 209
    P. W. Hjort Says:

    The last thing this team needs is a fat, unathletic, injury prone LF that isn’t hitting at all.

  210. 210
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Are you referring to Melky Cabrera? Because I think we’d all be happy if he were MORE injury prone.

  211. 211
    billy-jay Says:

    I wonder if the entire Braves philosophy is flawed. You can emphasize pitching when you have guys like Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz in their prime, but if you keep looking for once-in-a-lifetime pitchers at the expense of hitters, I would think that would fail eventually. Plus, baseball without offense is boring.

    Just throwing that out there. I’m going to have a beer or twelve.

  212. 212
    kc Says:

    @211 It’s not flawed if our top paying hitter is hitting like a top paying hitter.

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    billy-jay Says:

    Well, once upon a time, we had three guys in the running for the Cy Young Award. Do we have any right now? And the focus on pitching has exacerbated the fact that we can’t develop hitters.

    Again, I’m well into the middle part of that twelve beers (or bottle of Shiraz).

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    ryan c Says:

    would jermaine dye be that bad of a left fielder? getting desperate…

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    Mac Thomason Says:


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    Marc Schneider Says:

    Can’t develop hitters? How about Jason Heyward and Brian McCann?

    Although I hate to sound like Pollyanna Bobby Cox, he is right. Sometimes things just don’t go your way. How often do you see a ground ball sneak through and get a run in and people talk about what a great clutch hit it was? Last night, both those balls were hit right at the shortstop. I’m as frustrated as anyone the way the team is playing, and, clearly, there are serious holes in the lineup, but there is a lot of unexplainable randomness in baseball. I watch the Nats and a lot of things have been going right for them-not just against the Braves; balls hit right at fielders, guys making miraculous plays. It was just the opposite last year. I don’t know how good the Braves are–I suspect they are no more than a middling good team–but sometimes things just go wrong.

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