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27 May

Cristhian Martinez

Cristhian Martinez Minor League Statistics & History –

Command-and-control righty. I’m not quite sure what’s going on with Martinez’s first name, or why he wasn’t signed (out of the Dominican by the Tigers) until he was 20. A late growth spurt, maybe? After a bit of rough introduction to the minor leagues in 2003, he pitched well in 2004. He was evidently hurt in 2005, pitching in only three games. (In fact, he either has been battling injuries or babied throughout his career; until a couple of years ago his number of starts per year was very limited.) He put up a 2.56 ERA in 2006, but as a 24-year-old pitching at the lowest levels, it’s not that impressive.

The Marlins took him from the Tigers in the minor league draft after that season, and he was mediocre in A-ball for the next couple of years. He finally had a good year in the higher levels in 2009, going 9-3 with a 2.94 ERA in AA, and earned a callup to the big club. Martinez had been pretty exclusively a starter in the minors, but the Marlins used him out of the pen, where in 15 games he put up a 5.13 ERA. His tendency was to give up runs in bunches, allowing four runs twice and three runs on another occasion, meaning that almost three-quarters of the 16 runs he allowed came in just three appearances.

The Braves took him off waivers from the Marlins in spring training. Following their lead, they made him a full-time reliever. His ERA in 12 appearances in Gwinnett is 5.04, even though his components (7.9 K/9, 1.4 BB/9, one hit an inning) are actually pretty good. He’s still basically fodder, a secondary long reliever.

140 Responses to “Cristhian Martinez”

  1. 1
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    His first name reminds me of Bethancourt’s last name.

  2. 2
    Adam M Says:

    So… Steve Phillips recently argued that the Nats should consider trading Strasburg for Oswalt–and then dug in to explain his reasoning. As someone who is consistently mortified by what passes for “expert” (or even “analyst”) in the sports world, I thought this was worth a mention.

  3. 3
    csg Says:

    we can probably find work for Chavez and this man, but not Kimbrel?

  4. 4
    csg Says:

    #2 – well that is coming from the man who sucked as a GM and also found one of the well, not so pretty, people to cheat on his wife with

  5. 5
    spike (back in the USA) Says:

    @2 He’s got a point in there, somewhere, but refuses to address (or is too dumb to think about) the contractual differences that make the idea ridiculous on it’s face.

  6. 6
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Steve Phillips is trying, very hamfistedly, to explain TINSTAAPP: There Is No Such Thing As A Pitching Prospect.

    It’s not a completely insane argument in the abstract. Strasburg is an incredibly good pitching prospect, but he’s never played in the major leagues, and there are a million things that can go wrong for any young pitcher, so you have to discount his value by taking his risk into account.

    It’s the specifics that make the argument stupid. Roy Oswalt is 32, he’s no longer an ace, and he’s owed $47 million from 2010 to 2012 — while Strasburg will be making something like $1 million during the same time period.

    Phillips has a history of saying dumb things, and this is no exception. As on so many previous occasions, the argument he’s making could be correct — just not in this situation.

  7. 7
    sansho1 Says:

    Is this an isthmus, Cristhian?

  8. 8
    spike (back in the USA) Says:

    Yonder, lies the castle of my father, the Caliph!

  9. 9
    csg Says:

    his argument would be valid to trade Strasburg for Lincecum or something like that

  10. 10
    Dusty Says:

    Braves lineup at FLA, 5/27: Prado 4, Heyward 9, Jones 5, Hinske 7, Glaus 3, Cabrera 8, Escobar 6, Ross 2, Hudson 1

  11. 11
    Stu Says:

    It’s like he’s still trying to justify Kazmir-for-Zambrano.

  12. 12
    Joshua Says:

    @6 – I agree with everything you said with the exception of ‘Roy Oswalt is 32, he’s no longer an ace’. Have you seen his numbers this year? 69IP, 69K, 17BB, 53H, 2.35 ERA, .209 BAVG, 1.01 WHIP. That is some major ace stuff there (better than Wainwright, but just barely – they are almost identical). In fact, I’d easily put him in the top 10 this year, and that’s while playing in a hitters’ ballpark.

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    ububba Says:

    When the Kazmir deal was done, I remember catching the end of the radio report as I was getting out of the car at Yankee Stadium. I walked into the game thinking, “Wow, Carlos Zambrano? Not bad.”

    Of course, on the way home, when I heard that it was the wrong Zambrano, I burst out laughing & just thought, “Oh, the Mets…”

    And as has been mentioned, let’s just hope Oswalt doesn’t end up in Philadelphia.

  14. 14
    Joshua Says:

    Actually, Oswalt is pitching better than Halladay to this point.

  15. 15
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Joshua, he’s pitching brilliantly this year, but his ERA was over 4.00 last year, and his BABIP is .257 this year. He’s still probably a #1 starter, but I’m not sure that he’s one of the ten best pitchers in the league.

    (Right now he’s 11th in FIP, behind Halladay, Wainwright, Lincecum, Ubaldo Jimenez, Josh Johnson, Tom Gorzelanny (!), Clayton Richard, Jaime Garcia, Anibal Sanchez, and Barry Zito. In fairness, he’s 5th in xFIP, behind Lincecum, Halladay, Haren, and Johnson.)

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    justhank Says:

    If Chipper is indeed coming off the books next year, we need to find a way to acquire Oswalt before someone in the NL does.

    Assuming we can make the payroll work, what would it take to get Oswalt?

    Against righthanders, shouldn’t Conrad be getting the occassional start at 3B? I’m sorry, but you just can’t have your #3 hitter performing this way.

    What? No one liked “Yasser’s Virgins”?

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    Mike N. Says:

    Kind of hard to believe that he is 3-6 with those kind of numbers. Are the Astros really that bad?

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    Joshua Says:

    @16 – with the pitchers we have coming up, we definately need to look at getting a bat first.

  19. 19
    Joshua Says:

    @15 – Forgive me, I don’t know about all the stats that are out there. Could you please explain FIP and xFIP? I’m trying to figure out how Halladay could be higher in anything when considering he gives up more H/9, has fewer K/9, and has a WHIP that is .09 higher (unless BB/9 are given a really high value).

    @17 – Yes, yes they are.

  20. 20
    spike Says:


  21. 21
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    FIP and xFIP are basically component-centric. FIP just measures homers, strikeouts, and walks, and xFIP neutralizes home run rates to some extent. They’re definitely not be-all end-alls, but they are more predictive of future performance than ERA.

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    spike Says:

    And as if on cue….

  23. 23
    Joshua Says:

    I didn’t give any thought into the ERA, which is why I said he is having a better year than Halladay despite having a higher ERA. All of his components appear to be better than Halladay with the exception of walks, which is really close. Is it possible that list doesn’t include Oswalt’s last start (he was absolutely dominant)?

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    Joshua Says:

    Probably HR…

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    JC Says:

    I don’t understand how xFIP became popular. It substitutes some measure HR/outfield flies for home runs. But though pitchers have some control over overall home run prevention they don’t have much ability to influence HR/outfield fies. I just use simple rules for DIPS: K/BB >2 is good, and the HR/G < 1 is good. The bigger the deviation the better/worse the pitcher is.

  26. 26
    NickC Says:

    The only guys who could do something and are available this summer are Pena, Crawford and Werth.

    Werth might not be a bad pickup.

  27. 27
    Stu Says:

    Would the Phillies really trade Werth to a division rival? I seriously doubt it.

    I was thinking Magglio Ordonez would be a good fit, but I know his contract situation is kind of a hang-up.

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    Mark Graybill Says:

    One of my friends who is a Yankees fan feels confident Werth will end up with his team. He doesn’t have any inside information, just that enormous sense of entitlement (not unearned, I’m afraid) that Yankees fans enjoy . . .

  29. 29
    ububba Says:

    I get to see Magglio tomorrow night at Comerica. Once again, he’s mashing like a madman.

    It’s Sheets vs. D-Train. There was a time when that would’ve been a top-shelf matchup. (During last year’s visit, I got Porcello vs. Jimenez.)

    Now it’s just a high-end matchup: Oft-injured $10 M guy with a 5.00 ERA vs. really wild $12 M guy with a 5.00 ERA.

  30. 30
    NickC Says:

    #27, my bad, still in football (or soccer if you like) thinking, I meant winter.

  31. 31
    Adam M Says:

    For what it’s worth, Dave Cameron engages Phillips’ argument in much the same reasoned way as others have above, particularly AAR: each point he makes is fine on its own, in the abstract, but even when leaving aside the finances the argument is preposterous once its applied to real-world situations.

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    jorgbacca Says:

    If Tampa actually lets Crawford leave I don’t see us being able to outbid the Yankees, Red Sox, etc. for that one.

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    spike (back in the USA) Says:

    Which is why I doubt seriously the Yankees will trade for Werth unless the situation is dire.

  34. 34
    ryan c Says:

    if chipper leaves, one’s gotta think the dan uggla talks will begin again.

  35. 35
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    In light of the Joe West-Mark Buehrle incident, I wrote about the silliness of the balk rule on Fangraphs today. (I even quoted a line Mac wrote a year ago: “Nearly all balks are randomly called by the umpires as far as I can tell, with the odd exception of a pitcher who falls down or drops the ball or something like that.”)

  36. 36
    Stu Says:

    It just occurred to me, after seeing a DOB tidbit, that Señor Gomez may have been signed to babysit Yunel.

  37. 37
    mraver Says:

    In the last thread, I said, “Teheran will NOT be in the majors next year.” Well, apparently Kevin Goldstein disagrees with me:

    “Julio Teheran, RHP, Braves (High-A Myrtle Beach): 6 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 2 K. ERA is now 1.03 in nine starts across Low/High-A; 19-year-old could reach big leagues as early as late 2011.”

  38. 38
    NickC Says:

    #32, Tampa are dropping $20m in payroll after this season. Both Pena and Crawford are pretty much gone.

  39. 39
    sansho1 Says:

    That’s right, Chipper, I trashed you!

  40. 40
    Ethan Says:

    For Chipper, it was a hanging curve…just saying

    Anyone else hear Hinske drop the f-bomb on the parabolic mic 3 times?

    He definitely got his money’s worth too. At least you know he cares

  41. 41
    John Gaines Says:


  42. 42
    Ethan Says:

    Chip: “The Florida Marlins are about 50-50 in the stolen base department. They’ve stolen 20 and been thrown out 10 times”

    I wish I was making this up.

  43. 43
    jjschiller Says:

    If Yunel could have gotten Melky over Ross’ fly ball was a run.

    This stuff matters at the bottom of the order, when the pitcher is lurking.

  44. 44
    jjschiller Says:

    Let’s hurry and get five innings in. This rain doesn’t look good.

  45. 45
    John Gaines Says:

    Living in Florida, it is definitely nice to have a break from Chip, but the Florida guys are douche bags.

    I’m not sure how they’re dressed tonight, but these are guys that frequently wear matching sweater vests.

    Need I say more?

  46. 46
    Mac Thomason Says:

    When you can hear the rain over the TV, it’s too hard.

  47. 47
    mraver Says:

    So what, are they just going to wait for him to throw one to the backstop before they bring out the tarp?

  48. 48
    Adam M Says:

    Yeah really. It’s looked too hard for almost two innings.

  49. 49
    Mike N. Says:

    It was starting to look like the end of The Fan

  50. 50
    jjschiller Says:

    This is preposterous. They don’t want to send it to a rain delay for fear we might not come back out. (That alone should be a clue that you shouldn’t be playing baseball.) But these teams are in the same division, there’s going to be like 4 more trips down here in which to add a make-up.

  51. 51
    Ethan Says:

    Huddy gave it to Dana after the 4th. I would too. It’s not like he’s probably coming back anyway.

  52. 52
    jjschiller Says:

    This should have gone to delay after the Braves finished hitting. It was when Yunel was at-bat that the rain started really pouring, and it just got harder from there.

  53. 53
    NickC Says:

    We’re next down a week after the All Star game, so we could line Hudson up to pitch another 5 innings.

  54. 54
    desert Says:

    So…. who’s worse? Joe ‘The Cowboy’ West or Bill ‘The Mustache’ Hohn? (Poll question maybe?)

  55. 55
    spike Says:


  56. 56
    Ethan Says:

    Bill Hohn moved to the top of my list after the Red Sox series last year, but I did just find out today that West has a publicist, which is pretty strong ammo in and of itself.

  57. 57
    spike Says:

    West usually gets the calls right, he’s just a self-promoting so and so. Those balks he called the other day and the following ejections, while technically defensible, were a clear example of his ego and attempt to make himself into a “colorful character” in order to sell his dumbass CDs.

  58. 58
    PaulV Says:

    Ethan, trading 10 outs for 20 bases is about break even in the sense of harm vs good

  59. 59
    jjschiller Says:

    CB Bucknor is just terrible at his job.

    Bill Hohn is terrible at his job, and is also a very small, small man.

  60. 60
    spike Says:

    @58, I am sure that is exactly what Chip meant. I mean it’s not like he’s unfamiliar with Run Expectancy percentages.

  61. 61
    Smitty Says:

    Spike @ 55 is right. Bucknor.

  62. 62
    Stu Says:

    58—There is absolutely no chance that Chip is aware of that fact.

  63. 63
    Smitty Says:

    The Braves website is crazy!

  64. 64
    Brian J. Says:

    The Braves believe in the Greater Fool theory, Smitty. After all, they managed to unload the real thing.

  65. 65
    desert Says:

    Stu @ 62,

    I think we may have stumbled upon the answer here. So Chip’s actually extremely intelligent and has a deep and comprehensive knowledge about the workings of the game. However, he’s an extreme sociopath who just hates society in its entirety. So to fulfill his evil goals of bugging the crap out of everyone, he became a baseball announcer, and with graceful talent he walks the line between annoying those who listen to broadcasts and still showing enough knowledge and zest to maintain his job as an announcer. He’s perfect. I mean, consider the facts:

    a) He does all he can to make people’s ears bleed on national television- the perfect gig for a sociopath!
    b) To show that little knowledge about baseball…. you have to know everything about the game to make sure that you can avoid any ‘gaffes’. It’s akin to getting a 0 on an extremely large and difficult multiple choice test- to do so, you have to know the correct answers so that you purposefully get everything wrong.

    He’s amazing!

  66. 66
    Ethan Says:

    If Chip actually ever did try explain it as Paul did, I’m pretty sure my head would explode. It’s hurting now from just the concept.

    Moylan in the 5th? I guess they do go righty 3-4-5-6, but Moylan’s ROLE is the 7th. Something must be up.

    EDIT: 65- I think you give Chip far too much credit. I’d lean more to the statistical anomaly of an idiot just getting a zero on the test.

  67. 67
    Andrew B Says:

    bad night for the umpires

  68. 68
    P. W. Hjort Says:

    Fear. The. Prado.

  69. 69
    spike Says:

    Wow. It’s a surprise when Heyward doesn’t come through

  70. 70
    Robert Says:

    A good fastball like that one makes Chipper look real old.

  71. 71
    Smitty Says:

    Hey, Joe West has a website

    We should forward all of our gripes about umpires to him. It could be a lot of fun.

  72. 72
    Brian J. Says:

    Zombie Chipper does what zombies do best.

  73. 73
    Robert Says:

    But pitchers are still petrified of him. Nobody has seen the memo.

  74. 74
    Smitty Says:

    Wow, he still uses AOL.

  75. 75
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    @71: *giggle* Also, someone should tell “Cowboy Joe” that “Blue Cowboy” sounds like the name of a gay porn.

  76. 76
    spike Says:

    Are you kidding? He probably just opened his account.

  77. 77
    Adam R Says:

    @73, Well, naturally. He’ll eat their brains.

    Nice to see Chipper partying like it’s 1999.

  78. 78
    Robert Says:

    I enjoy watching Venters. It might be the high socks.

  79. 79
    Brian J. Says:

    That 1.00 ERA probably helps.

  80. 80
    Trace Says:

    Phils are getting shutout again.

  81. 81
    Brian J. Says:

    Braves are just 1 1/2 games back if we win and the Phils lose.

  82. 82
    Smitty Says:

    Who is faster: Glaus, McCann, Sid Bream, Damon Berryhill or the corpse of Babe Ruth?

  83. 83
    Smitty Says:

    Welcome to the Medoza Line Yunel!

  84. 84
    Brian J. Says:

    YUNEL! Maybe he’s snapping out of it.

    Smitty, the corpse. Definitely. Babe did steal over 100 bases, after all.

  85. 85
    spike Says:

    @73, wasn’t he two for two with a double just before the walk? Might have been a different memo for that situation.

  86. 86
    sdp Says:

    lol…SportSouth’s microphones caught someone saying, “Hey, Escobar? How’s that hitting streak? One game?”

  87. 87
    mraver Says:

    Hmm. I figured Escobar would’ve made it to third on that one. Shame, too, ’cause he probably scores on Ross’s flyout. Either way, it’s good to see him hitting the ball hard. :-)

  88. 88
    Brian J. Says:

    O’Flaherty’s in trouble, the tying runs are on base, so let’s bring in Chavez!

  89. 89
    csg Says:

    jesse chavez next folks…but yet Kimbrel cant find innings here

  90. 90
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Wouldn’t Saito have made more sense here?

  91. 91
    csg Says:

    nevermind its Saito

  92. 92
    Smitty Says:

    This is why you don’t use Moylan in the 5th, Bobby!

  93. 93
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    @91: So GameCast got it wrong? It has Chavez coming in.

  94. 94
    Smitty Says:

    Bobby’s middle name is “Joseph”
    I move that we refer to him from now on as “Bobby Joe”

  95. 95
    Randy Says:

    @82 Smitty, Berryhill was about the slowest player I’ve ever seen. I believe if some money was on the line Glaus could outrun McCann, so the answer to your question, may just unbelievably be Bream. At least he had enough speed to beat Bonds throw.

  96. 96
    csg Says:

    93 – yep

  97. 97
    Jeremy Says:

    Chip Caray makes me wanna puke.

  98. 98
    csg Says:

    what in the world has happened to the phils offense?

  99. 99
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Has anything happened since the pitching change? GameCast seems to have fallen asleep.

  100. 100
    Brian J. Says:

    Okay, Saito’s now relieved O’Flaherty twice and Chavez has once. Gameday’s bugs strike again.

    Edit: Fortunately, the good Saito also strikes, and we’re out of the jam.

  101. 101
    Robert Says:

    Saito struck everyone out. It’s still 5-3.

    Prado singles again to start the eighth.

  102. 102
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Ah, looks like it’s caught up. Saito struck out Uggla and Ross? Nice.

  103. 103
    mraver Says:

    What was that thing about Diaz and CB Buckner that Joe just referenced?

  104. 104
    csg Says:

    “He was the best player on the team,” Escobar said through an interpreter. “A lot of talent with the bat.”

    Gomez started in center field on the 2000 Cuban Olympic team in Sydney. Escobar compared him to Boston left fielder Jacoby Ellsbury, a .295 hitter in his fourth season with the Red Sox.

    Here’s to hoping that Yunel is a good scout

  105. 105
    Smitty Says:

    Heyward is having another one of his 20 min at bats.

  106. 106
    csg Says:

    who was the ump that Estrada blew up on?

  107. 107
    Robert Says:

    Just an awesome at bat right there.

  108. 108
    Jeremy Says:

    Ho hum AB by J Hey.

  109. 109
    Smitty Says:

    Chipper has 1,377 more walks than Frenchy

  110. 110
    Smitty Says:

    I can’t believe Chipper has more walks than Aaron or Mathews

  111. 111
    sansho1 Says:

    Fun fact: Dan Meyer has 4 errors in 11 career fielding chances. Bunt, Hinske!

  112. 112
    Smitty Says:

    That is the first good defensive play in Ugla’s life

  113. 113
    spike Says:

    That is such a big run, i find the dp trade….barely acceptable.

  114. 114
    sansho1 Says:

    By the way, I thought Cox was correct in using Moylan in the fifth. Middle of the lineup, all right handed hitters, and we’ll be emptying the bullpen anyway. That was the highest Moylan-leveraged situation possible.

  115. 115
    Brian J. Says:

    Melky’s simulating usefulness. I’m still having trouble believing it.

  116. 116
    Smitty Says:

    Melky may be showing Nate the bench.

    Is it possible that our next manager doesn’t know he has other pitchers in the bullpen?

  117. 117
    spike Says:

    Well we’ve used six already and headed for a seventh, so they must know most of them.

  118. 118
    Brian J. Says:

    Meyer’s fifth walk of the inning. The anti-Frenchy.

  119. 119
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    Wow….Meyer really sucks.

  120. 120
    mraver Says:

    Haha. Bobby doesn’t think he can throw 3 out of 7 pitches for strikes. :-)

  121. 121
    csg Says:

    fredi isnt doing Meyer any favors here…he may be getting released tomorrow

  122. 122
    csg Says:

    yes Joe, Saito is just like Ichiro with the bat

  123. 123
    Smitty Says:

    Saito works the count better than Frenchy

  124. 124
    Brian J. Says:

    Saito got his bat on two pitches. Honor has been served.

  125. 125
    Weldon Says:

    That was borderline irresponsible by Fredi, wasn’t it?

  126. 126
    Stu Says:

    122—He was joking.

  127. 127
    csg Says:

    I know…Chip wasnt sure though

  128. 128
    Andrew B Says:

    if the score holds, the official scorer is gonna have to pick the winning pitcher based on whom he thought was most effective (hudson of course is ineligible.) at this point, i’d have to say saito?

  129. 129
    Smitty Says:

    @128, I would have to think so.

  130. 130
    Brian J. Says:

    I’d agree if Saito gets through the 8th.

  131. 131
    csg Says:

    im guessing Moylan will get the win

  132. 132
    Chip (not Caray) Says:

    How close was J-Hey’s flyout in the 9th? On GameCast it looked like it was up against the wall.

  133. 133
    csg Says:

    just shy of the track

  134. 134
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Wagner. Again. With a five-run lead.

  135. 135
    Ethan Says:

    You knew Bobby was going to do this, but it doesn’t make it any less annoying

  136. 136
    csg Says:

    no off days for about three weeks also

  137. 137
    Brian J. Says:

    And Moylan gets the win.

  138. 138
    sdp Says:

    Heyward caught it off the end of the bat.

  139. 139
    kc Says:

    Bobby manages his bullpen based on both how important the game is and, less importantly, how big the lead is. That’s why he always kills his relievers.

    Wag should be glad that he is retiring!!!

  140. 140
    Mac Thomason Says:


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