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PURE EVIL and lame: Sept. 5, Braves at Marlins

Marlins won’t honor Cox; payback for his comments? | Atlanta Braves.

178 Responses to “PURE EVIL and lame: Sept. 5, Braves at Marlins”

  1. 1
    hap Says:

    So about the Lowe/KK problem… was Smoltz part of the organization on 8/31? Imagine Smoltzy cranking it up one more time for Bobby down the stretch.

  2. 2
    Mark Graybill Says:

    From the previous thread:

    @17: “Only teams I really hate are the Dodgers, Yankees, and Marlins.”

    I dislike those teams, but I hate the Phillies more, because I have to live in the Philly area and am inundated with them.

    Example: Last night, on the local sports cable station, Ricky Bottalico said this, and I’m quoting almost verbatim: “Phillies are only one game out . . . that’s a virtual tie. When they play [two weeks from now!!!] and the Phillies take the first game, it will be tied. But it’s nice that they are getting some distance in the Wild Card race. You know what would be interesting? If the Phillies passed the Braves and then the Braves didn’t make the playoffs. That would be a great way to send Bobby Cox off . . .”

    This suggests to me that “Buttalico” is as classy a commentator as the organization he covers–and that he and other Phillies fans are scared of the Braves. I also catch a whiff of this idea that the Braves have been out of line by playing well enough to challenge the Phils. Ever since the Phillies won the WS two years ago, their fans have a huge sense of entitlement–like many Red Sox fans developed after 2004.

    One of my favorite bands is the Canadian group Sloan, and they have a song that says, “It’s not the band I hate–it’s their fans.” So, maybe I hate Phillies fans more than the team. Nah . . . I hate them both.

  3. 3
    Smitty Says:

    Wow, Mac.

    The Marlins are a pissy bitch organization. I hope they aren’t mad we won last night, they might throw a temper-tantrum.

    I have to say, I never like the Marlins, but they are catching the Dodgers and Mets on my levels of dislike.

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    ryan c Says:

    arodys vizcaino pitched last night. i thought he was shut down for the year. anyone have new info on him?

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    Remy Says:

    I’ve had no love in my heart for the Phillies since their fans threw batteries at the Braves’ players after Philadelphia won the 1993 NLCS. I think the Braves got hit when they were boarding the bus or something.

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    mraver Says:

    He’s pitched a couple times. I think they were going to try to rest the arm to avoid surgery, and it looks like they have, at least to this point. (He did avoid surgery, right? Am I making that up?)

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    ryan c Says:

    1. Infante 2B, 2. Heyward RF, 3. Prado 3B, 4. McCann C, 5. Glaus 1B, 6. Gonzalez SS, 7. Cabrera LF, 8. McLouth CF, 9. Minor

    i’m actually glad to see mclouth getting a start. i hope he can do a little rebounding and bring some stability to a very unstable position. we know he can at least take a walk.

    glaus is starting as well. lee really cant be defended right now, so i hope this is a wakeup call to him.

  8. 8
    sansho1 Says:

    I’m not surprised to see Lee sitting against the righty, but I’m VERY surprised to see Glaus instead of Freeman.

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    Stu Says:

    4—He was just shut down for a couple of months, which I believe was the plan all along.

    6—Right, he hasn’t had surgery.

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    billy-jay Says:

    Loria should be booted from MLB after what he did to the Expos and what he is currently doing to the Marlins. I find it difficult to hate them based on they’ve been through (but I still manage some strong dislike).

    Yankees and Red Sox are quite deserving of eternal hatred. Phillies haven’t been worth caring about except for the last couple of years. I’m willing to bet that given two or three years, they’ll resume their rightful place with the Mets sniffing the Braves’ collective butts and hoping they can score a wild card berth.

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    RobBroad4th Says:

    @10, You know, I used to hate Sox fans as much as you guys, but after visiting Fenway and talking with some really cool fans, I’m reconsidering. The Yankees and their fans are hands down the worst.

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    billy-jay Says:

    I used to feel some sympathy for them (Red Sox fans) for being the Yankees’ bitches and for going enough time between championships for completely new life forms to evolve and go extinct, but man, they got snobby really quickly after they won. Screw them. I hope they get used to being the Ray’s bitches for the next century.

    This is also why I hope the Cubs never win in my lifetime. I’m positive Cubs’ fans will be insufferable.

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    csg Says:

    yeah, Im kinda glad to see Nate and Glaus back in there. Ankiel should never start against a LH’r again. There is no reason not to start Melky and Diaz in that situation. Lee looks done, hopefully Bobby has recognized that or this gets Lee’s attention

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    ralphdibny Says:

    @2: I hear you. I used to like the Cubs, before I lived in Illinois. Now I can’t stand them, all because of their insufferable fans. One of my favorite memories is of sitting on my front porch after the Bartman game, watching all the Cubs fans exit the bar across the street, silent, heads down, as if leaving a funeral.

    @12: Cubs fans are already insufferable. I can’t imagine what a WS win would do to them.

    And yet, I hate the Marlins most of all. More than the Dodgers, more than the Cardinals. Pure evil indeed.

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    csg Says:

    my baseball hatred is focused on just a few…Larussa (not the team) Mets, Phillies, Red Sox, Ted Lilly, umpires, and Yanks. For me, every other team is tolerable. I hate playing the Marlins, Nats, Col, and St Louis, but I dont actually hate their teams.

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    Randy Says:

    Why is this game starting so early? Do the Marlins think it will help attendance? Instead of getting 2,500 they’ll get 2,600?

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    Smitty Says:

    Great, more bad umpires.

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    Smitty Says:


    It’s because this is the most piss poor run organization in baseball.

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    Randy Says:

    We might be out of this game before Noon Central time.

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    beedee Says:

    c’mon everybody hits…let’s get this under control Mike

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    Brian J. Says:

    Only the Marlins’ bad baserunning is keeping them from completely blowing this one open.

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    Bethany Says:

    I feel ill. Let’s try to keep this at 3 runs, ok Minor? Stop grooving pitches to an aggressive team.

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    Randy Says:

    Nate’s spit travels farther than balls he hits.

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    RobBroad4th Says:

    What do we do about McLouth?

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    Bethany Says:

    Once again making a terrible pitcher look like an ace.

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    Randy Says:

    We must have 3 O’clock reservations at Joe’s Crab Shack.

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    sdp Says:


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    beedee Says:

    @ 24
    put him down

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    Randy Says:

    I only watch Braves’ games, so tell me how is Bonifacio not the next Ty Cobb? He must hit .600 against us.

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    Randy Says:

    Well, that was an improvement, Morrison didn’t triple this time.

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    Brian J. Says:

    Eleven Marlins batters, five extra-base hits. Maybe we’d better just plan on a three-man playoff rotation.

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    Bethany Says:

    Ok, I’m done.

  33. 33
    Grst Says:

    Minor is getting rocked.

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    RobBroad4th Says:

    Cabrera makes Garret Anderson look like Rickey Henderson.

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    beedee Says:

    you’ve got to be kidding me…Bobby, that’s the clue phone ringing!

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    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    A dozen years ago, I interned with a professional sports team, a part of a five college-kid group working in various departments. Three of us, myself included, ended up parlaying the gig into full-time jobs somewhere in the big four sports. One member of the group was a supremely arrogant, generally loathsome individual. In a symphonic marriage of person and organization, he was hired by the Marlins.

    They are detestable, from the top down. I loathe some teams, but the Marlins are the only one whose right to exist I call into question, which dates back to the 1991 expansion and their subsequent behind-the-scenes efforts to prevent my hometown from getting a team via expansion or relocation.

    I hate the Marlins with the fire of a thousand suns, far more than the Mets and Phillies combined.


    12:02 p.m. CDT.

  37. 37
    Adam M Says:

    I seriously just tuned in thinking the game would be starting soon. Instead, it’s 6-0 Marlins. I’m confused and angry, though on the bright side I can go on with my day now.

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    Ben Says:

    And yet, we can’t score against a major league debut pitcher whose ERA was pushing 4.00 at AAA. Wait..wrong game…. that kid is pitching in the double header… STill… I’m kind of disgusted…

    Why would you trot out a lineup with Glaus and McLouth in the middle of a pennant race

  39. 39
    Adam M Says:

    Why would you trot out a lineup with Melky Cabrera AND Nate McLouth in it? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: it really is scary that the Braves seem not to understand just how bad these guys have been. I appreciate how effective the scouting is, and how they have managed, with their uniquely good talent evaluation to build an impressive system time and again. But there is something wrong when you fail to recognize that Melky Cabrera and Nate McLouth should never be in the game at the same time. The point is to limit your liabilities, not pretend that they don’t exist.

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    Brian J. Says:

    And another thing- why does Bobby keep batting our worthless 1B fifth? He knows they’re not hitting, which is why he constantly switches from one to another, so why isn’t he concluding that they need to bat 7th or 8th?

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    Randy Says:

    The Marlins announcers have said that the Braves have disabled the camera in their dugout, that someone must have hit it. That leaves McLouth out as a suspect.

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    RobBroad4th Says:

    The Marlins announcers just implied that one of the Braves hit the camera in the dugout with a bat. Is that true?

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    Brian J. Says:

    41- And Ankiel, Cabrera, Freeman, Glaus, Lee… man, that doesn’t leave many suspects.

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    Brian J. Says:

    So, is Minor’s plan to make them run the bases ’til they get exhausted? Because I don’t think it will work.

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    sdp Says:

    41: I just spit my water. lol

  46. 46
    Grst Says:

    @44 I’ve tried that strategy before to no avail.

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    Brian J. Says:

    The fifth inning will be like the old joke, where the grounds crew will be dragging the warning track.

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    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Anyone other than AAG going to show up?

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    Brian J. Says:

    Louth tries to fail, and fails.

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    Randy Says:

    Nate just had a big smile on his face at second base after his double, getting up to .170 on the season will do that for you.

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    Adam M Says:

    Minor has had a bad day, but for me, the primary issue remains the lineup’s deficiencies. They will not do much in the postseason with such awful production from 1B, CF, and LF, and with an almost complete inability to hit lefties.

    If it was me, I’d probably platoon Diaz and Hinske in LF, let Ankiel play CF so at least we get something approximating league average defense, and commit to either Lee or Freeman at 1B. Glaus and McLouth are done, and Melky sucks at all facets of the game. But really, there are just too many replacement-level guys (or worse) getting run, and that includes some of the players who we probably consider “obvious starts.”

  52. 52
    braves14 Says:

    Logan Morrison is like, Pujols.

  53. 53
    Adam R Says:

    Fat crybaby saves the day. 3-0 Brew Crew

  54. 54
    Brian J. Says:

    3-0 Brewers on a Prince Fielder HR.

  55. 55
    Jeremy Says:

    I agree with your plan, but I’d also platoon Freeman and Lee.

  56. 56
    braves14 Says:

    Surprised they sent back out the sore-shouldered Moylan after a rain delay.

  57. 57
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Mark Graybill, I’m totally with you on Sloan! The song you quoted is from one of their best albums, “Twice Removed.”

    Hey, Troy, thanks for showing up today.

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    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Evidently Glaus does nothing well anymore.

  59. 59
    Ben Says:

    So you know what is total BS at this point in the pennant race? The fact that Philly:

    1. Had an entire game gifted to them on a blown foul ball call.
    2. Had three extra home games and three fewer road games than any other team in baseball.

  60. 60
    Weldon Says:

    We could still make a game of this.

    edit: They have to intentionally walk McCann here, don’t they?

  61. 61
    Dan Says:

    Troy Glaus to kill the rally.

    Edit: or not.

  62. 62
    basil Says:

    Hopefully with a homer.

  63. 63
    Weldon Says:

    He’s probably not going to hit the ball hard enough for a triple play, at least.

    I’ll third the affection for Sloan.

  64. 64
    Bethany Says:

    ZOMG Glaus lives.

  65. 65
    Randy Says:

    Troy actually hit that like it was back in May.

  66. 66
    braves14 Says:

    Hart just doubled in Weeks. 4-2 Milwaukee.

  67. 67
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    I really wish Alex had leaned into it when they were trying to plunk him.

  68. 68
    Bethany Says:

    Bad break there.

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    braves14 Says:


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    RobBroad4th Says:

    Let’s get the lead as long as they’re leaving this guy out to dry.

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    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    I don’t want to remember what happened to McLouth the last time he was in this situation, in this park.

  72. 72
    Bethany Says:

    He took away a freaking grand slam.

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    rehabreject Says:


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    RobBroad4th Says:


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    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Wow… Nate hit a grand slam, but the guy reached over the wall and caught the ball.

    I guess that pretty much sums up his 2010.

  76. 76
    Weldon Says:

    Hahahahahaha, poor Nate. Looks like Charlie Brown.

  77. 77
    braves14 Says:

    Wow. Maybin is like Andruw out there.

  78. 78
    rehabreject Says:

    I hate this stadium!

  79. 79
    Bethany Says:

    Come on Freddie!!!!

  80. 80
    Randy Says:

    Wow! Maybe McLouth did break that camera.

  81. 81
    c. shorter Says:

    I’m still pulling for Nate. I hope he can come around.

    Pulling back a grandslam?!? Ugh. Painful.

  82. 82
    CapTang Says:

    I said it last Sunday, I’ll say it again: anyone who stops watching this team is not a fan.

  83. 83
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Okay, boys, it’s a ballgame again. 6-6.

  84. 84
    Bethany Says:

    Well shoot. If not for two great defensive plays we could have had even more.

  85. 85
    braves14 Says:

    And right as I praised Maybin’s defense, he threw to the wrong cutoff guy to allow 2 runs to score on a sac fly.

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    RobBroad4th Says:

    My hat is off to Nate. And pinch running for Glaus really paid off there.

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    CapTang Says:

    Of course, it is amazing how many of these fans are actually rooting against their own players….

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    Brian J. Says:

    We’re rooting for them, CapTang. It’s just that with many of them, we know not to expect what we hope for.

  89. 89
    Adam M Says:

    That was all so crazy.

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    csg Says:

    Farnsworth on to make sure we dont keep the lead. Nate hit that one a long long way. Its probably a HR anywhere outside of here and Citi

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    braves14 Says:

    88 — Your not a real fan!!!!!11111

  92. 92
    braves14 Says:

    Nice inning by Farnsworth.

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    rehabreject Says:

    Farnworth pitching well in a tight game? ….

  94. 94
    John Gaines Says:

    Too bad for Louth on that one. Nothing like a go ahead grand slam to help out your confidence.

    The job in CF is there for the taking… So somebody take it already.

  95. 95
    braves14 Says:

    Weeks just knocked in Kottaras. 5-2 Brewers.

  96. 96
    csg Says:

    im sure this is the only place where a bat can land in the stands and have less than a 50/50 chance of hitting someone

  97. 97
    Bethany Says:

    @96 Hehehe.

    Blast. Good try by Prado.

  98. 98
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Nice job, Jonny!

  99. 99
    csg Says:

    thats two bats in the seats and neither came within 10 feet of anyone

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    rehabreject Says:

    this stadium is a f!@#$ circus. bats flying into the half empty stands, rain delays, cf wall made of egg cartons, advertisements left and right like a minor league park…..

  101. 101
    Dan Says:

    “Kentucky bluegas” is still dumb.

  102. 102
    mikemc Says:

    I was watching the game in early innings and my takeaway is that Melky is one of the slowest, (or laziest) outfielders I’ve seen in a Braves uniform. How that guy was able to play CF for a world champion team is beyond me.

  103. 103
    Randy Says:

    Time for the folk hero to shine.

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    csg Says:

    its Saito/Wagner vs Hensley/Nunez now

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    Grst Says:

    These umpires are terrible.

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    RobBroad4th Says:

    The Marlins announcers are such jackasses.

  107. 107
    csg Says:

    nice play JHEY

  108. 108
    Jeremy Says:

    Heyward with a sliding catch at the 11 yard line.

  109. 109
    csg Says:

    one handed catch also

  110. 110
    csg Says:

    ankiel wouldve swung at all 3 of those pitches

    Nate has 0 luck

  111. 111
    Grst Says:

    Poor guy

  112. 112
    Ben Says:

    Is it just me, or have the braves had an unusual number of home runs robbed from them this year?

  113. 113
    Bethany Says:

    Another freak defensive play.

  114. 114
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    And, naturally, Nate gets robbed again.

  115. 115
    braves14 Says:

    Poor Nate.

  116. 116
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Poor Nate.

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    rehabreject Says:


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    braves14 Says:


  119. 119
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Congratulations, Freddie Freeman! Hit number one!

  120. 120
    csg Says:

    nice job Freddie

  121. 121
    Tom Says:

    Wow, the Marlins are playing some defense here! Nate should have a GS and another single.

  122. 122
    Randy Says:

    First hit of many for Freddie Freeman.

  123. 123
    Brian J. Says:

    Congratulations on your first hit, Freddie!

  124. 124
    rehabreject Says:

    what a shame to get your first hit in this piece of cow dung stadium.

  125. 125
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Nate deserves better luck, better karma, better something, for the class with which he handled his demotion.

  126. 126
    csg Says:

    Omar – bunts with 2 outs = bad idea

  127. 127
    RobBroad4th Says:

    I’ll buy you a Coke when we make the playoffs.

  128. 128
    csg Says:

    batting title hit

  129. 129
    braves14 Says:

    127 — Sounds good!

  130. 130
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Rick Ankiel running for Freddie Freeman. Is Freeman really that slow?

  131. 131
    braves14 Says:

    This is like a minor league park with all of the advertisements. Of course, there’s a minor league sized crowd.

  132. 132
    Bethany Says:

    Dammit Heyward.

  133. 133
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    I guess you shouldn’t have swung 3-0, Jason.

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    RobBroad4th Says:


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    Jeremy Says:


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    stupup74 Says:

    Omar is hustling today, just like everyday, but I didn’t realize how well he runs.

  137. 137
    braves14 Says:

    So, we have Wagner, O’Flaherty, Proctor, and Dunn left in the bullpen. I’m not sure Dunn’s available after throwing 3 innings in the last 2 days.

  138. 138
    Randy Says:

    #131—There’s got to be a number of minor league towns that would support MLB better than Miami.

  139. 139
    Brian J. Says:

    The problem isn’t Miami. The problem is Huizenga, Loria, and the rest of the scumball owners and front office personnel that the Marlins have employed. They could probably have run the Yankees into the ground by now. On the other hand, a new ownership group could breathe life into the fan base quickly, the way that Tampa Bay’s ownership group has.

  140. 140
    Jeremy Says:

    There shouldn’t be any MLB teams in the entire state of Florida.

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    Jeremy Says:

    South Florida isn’t the greatest sports town. I have doubts that they would support a successful team.

  142. 142
    Jeremy Says:

    Nice inning.

  143. 143
    Bethany Says:

    Ugh, this umpire is awful.

  144. 144
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    They support the Canes, Heat and Dolphins when they’re winning — and they did the same during the Marlins’ two championship seasons. They’re a total frontrunner town, but, well, so is Atlanta.

    It’s still silly to have an open baseball stadium during the South Florida monsoon season.

    EDIT: Good job, Derrek!

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    Bethany Says:



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    braves14 Says:

    144 — Good thing the new stadium will have a retractable roof.

  147. 147
    Grst Says:

    Well that’s obnoxious.

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    James Says:

    What luck

  149. 149
    Jeremy Says:

    They supported those Marlins teams during the postseason but I’d like to see the regular season attendance figures. Total front running town, yeah. I think the only thing they are genuinely passionate about is the Dolphins.

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    RobBroad4th Says:

    That looks bad…

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    rehabreject Says:

    this stadium is a fucking circus! i’m telling you!

  152. 152
    Bethany Says:

    God, look at how swollen his eye is.

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    braves14 Says:

    Melky sucks.

  154. 154
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Melky, your worthlessness astounds me.

  155. 155
    Grst Says:

    We’re certainly turning it into a circus.

  156. 156
    Mike N. Says:

    God dammit Melky

  157. 157
    Bethany Says:

    Screw Melky. I have never wanted to punch someone this badly in my life.

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    rehabreject Says:


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    RobBroad4th Says:

    Cabrera sucks.

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    carl Says:

    A bucket with a braves cap would be a better LF than melky!

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    rehabreject Says:

    did Melky think he had any sort of shot at getting him at second? the only thing Bonifacio does well is RUN.

  162. 162
    Mike N. Says:

    Fuck you Melky

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    Bethany Says:


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    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Thanks for nothing, Melky.

  165. 165
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Go Brewers. Shit.

  166. 166
    c. shorter Says:

    hard to win with built-in limitations

  167. 167
    Grst Says:

    Melky, you silly fat bastard.

  168. 168
    braves14 Says:

    Maybe Hinske will get to play more in left again.

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    RobBroad4th Says:


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    James Says:

    Stupid melky.

  171. 171
    Smitty Says:

    Melky is the Marlins MVP

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    csg Says:

    maybe they’ll let Diaz start playing in LF

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    sdp Says:


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    Jeremy Says:

    Melky is definitely one of my most hated Braves of the last 20 years.

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    braves14 Says:

    Brewers still lead 5-2 in the 8th.

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    Mac Thomason Says:


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    Adam M Says:

    I left when the score was tied, came back to find out the game was lost. A big-time missed opportunity to gain a game on the Phillies, who are losing right now to the Brewers.

    What did Melky do?

  178. 178
    redclay Says:

    @177 What did Melky do?

    He was just Melky. Livin the dream.

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