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26 Sep

“Fredi” and “Fired” have the same letters game thread

427 Responses to ““Fredi” and “Fired” have the same letters game thread”

  1. 1
    Jeff K Says:

    Whoops, hit the ground with this one after Mac opened the new thread:

    Gads, the woe is me is rampant here. Gotta buck up, campers.

    Go Braves!!

  2. 2
    Dan Says:

    Can’t believe I never noticed before that ‘fired’ is an anagram of ‘Fredi’. It’s even more perfect than Resop’s name being ‘poser’ when spelled out backwards.

  3. 3
    JoeyT Says:

    The failings of the Wild Card are clearly illustrated by the fact that, when competing for a playoff spot at the end of the season, the Braves play a team from their division with the best record in all of baseball, while the Cardinals play a team from their division with the worst record in all of baseball.

  4. 4
    ububba Says:

    But, hey, we get to root for Wandy Rodriguez…

  5. 5
    PeteOrr Says:

    Also an anagram for Fredi: “I… derf.” Imagine this as a response during one of his postgame press conferences. For instance:

    “Fredi, why did you call for a suicide squeeze with a newly paraplegic Chipper running [crawling] at third and Tommy Hanson attempting to bunt without an actual bat in his hands and his right arm in a sling?”

    “Well, see, um, I… derf.”

    Of course no one would ever actually ask him why he called for that play, so this might be a bit unrealistic. Go Braves!

  6. 6
    Dusty Says:

    Braves lineup Bourn 8 Prado 7 Chipper 5 Uggla 4 Freeman 3 McCann 2 Diaz 9 Gonzalez 6 Delgado 1

  7. 7
    Catz Says:

    Heyward is out once again, presumably because we’re facing a lefty

  8. 8
    Smitty Says:

    It looks like there might be some rain for the game. Wonder if the Phillies will sit Utley, Howard and Ibanez?

  9. 9
    Nick Says:

    Eh…it’s just a 30 percent chance. I don’t think it’ll play that big of a factor. If we get a shower, the field shouldn’t be soaked or anything.

  10. 10
    Dan Says:

    Hopefully “fired” (past tense) will be the way in which Fredi is referred to by the start of the GM meetings in November.

  11. 11
    Ray Says:

    Am I the only one who thinks that Brad Pitt kinda looks like Chipper on the cover of SI?

    Not going to watch the game tonight, so maybe they win this one. But I doubt it. Let’s hope for “Success” and the Astros putting up a fight.

  12. 12
    csg Says:

    Success had an .810OPS in Houston during August. He’s back down to his normal .531 range in September though.

  13. 13
    ububba Says:

    It’s not just any lefty.

  14. 14
    Stu Says:

    I don’t understand why Prado keeps hitting at the top of the lineup. He’s pretty awful.

  15. 15
    John R. Says:

    Maybe A-Gon will continue his hot hitting and carry the team to the postseason.


  16. 16
    Smitty Says:


    Im not sure there is anyone else to put there right now.

  17. 17
    Ethan Says:


    I’d give Diaz a shot tonight and then Heyward after that. It worked fairly well last year…

  18. 18
    Stu Says:

    16—Literally anyone else, AGony included.

  19. 19
    Dusty Says:

    Braves OPS for month of Sept

    AAG 1019
    Richardson 1000 (4 ABs)
    Chipper 817
    Ross 779
    Uggla 773
    HEYWARD 764
    Freeman 730
    Bourn 669
    McCann 631
    PRADO 575
    Wilson 522
    DIAZ 499
    Constanza 400
    Hinske 393
    Conrad 384

    Won’t win many that way.

  20. 20
    Dusty Says:

    Anyone know why Aroys hasn’t been used since the 16th?

  21. 21
    Dusty Says:

    Sorry for the triple post but this should cheer everyone up:

    Phillies lineup: 1. Rollins SS 2. Utley 2B 3. Pence RF 4. Howard 1B 5. Victorino CF 6. Ibanez LF 7. Polanco 3B 8. Ruiz C 9 Lee P.

  22. 22
    Smitty Says:

    4-8 Is Murder’s Row

  23. 23
    Dan Says:

    Phillies are going with their A-team. Maybe they want to participate in a third collapse in five seasons (2007, 2008, 2011?).

  24. 24
    justhank Says:

    Really, Phillies?


    But ya know, if we do win tonight against their A+ team, it should get the Braves over the hump psychologically.

  25. 25
    ububba Says:

    Whether they’re playing Jimmy Rollins at short or the dug-up corpse of Granny Hamner, we gotta find a way to win this game.

  26. 26
    John R. Says:

    According to DOB, Hanson didn’t make his Sunday throwing session. He won’t be a factor at all during this series.

    Why would anyone expect the Phillies to put up any lineup other than their best? They’ve been in a tailspin and need to prove something going into the playoffs, too.

  27. 27
    PeteOrr Says:

    As pathetically as they’ve played against pathetic teams, maybe an actual perceived challenge will be good for them. Like, maybe they’ll step up to the challenge or something. Ha. I mean, Go Braves!

  28. 28
    Mike N. Says:

    So will the challenge of the Phillies be the next jolt this team needs? I believe that will be jolt number 10 for the month.

    I’m optimistic. Always am. We’ll take 2 of 3 against the Phils. The loss will be Lowe’s start. Lowe’s loss and Delgado’s dominance in his game will convince the Braves to go with a Lowe-less rotation for the playoffs, and the young guns of Minor, Beachy, and Delgado will carve their names in Atlanta Braves history as they all dominate on their way to a World Series championship.

    Yep, that is what’s going to happen. Totally.

  29. 29
    John R. Says:

    Repeating a prediction from a prior thread: I think we’re going to take 1 out of 3 from the Phillies, and the Cards will take 2 out of 3 from the Astros. And we’ll lose the playoff game against the Cardinals.

  30. 30
    Jeff K Says:

    I like that lineup from the Phillies, Manuel is awesome. Make ’em win their way in is the right philosophy.

  31. 31
    Smitty Says:

    The Phillies should put their best players on the field. Just as the Astros should put their best on the field. I just wish the Braves would put the best players on the field (Heyward)

  32. 32
    PeteOrr Says:

    Oh crap, Braves are activating Sherrill and might use him tonight, according to DOB. This has rusty disaster written all over it. I predict he grooves a fastball to Howard that ends up in midtown.

  33. 33
    Nick Says:

    I would agree, except I think that if you’re left-handed, you could probably strike Ryan Howard out, and I don’t know if you’ve ever played baseball in your life.

  34. 34
    Brian J. Says:

    Unlike others here, I just can’t generate any excitement for these sad sacks, even though I can’t look away. To quote Bob Weiss of the Hawks, “We’re going to be exciting. Of course, it was exciting when the Titanic went down.”

    GO ASTROS! Please?

  35. 35
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Every time the Braves were in Philly’s position (usually against the Mets at the end of the season) they played their A-team. I see no reason Philly shouldn’t do the same.

  36. 36
    John R. Says:

    32: Yeah, if we see a repeat of “Rusty” Linebrink with Sherrill, I am seriously going to grab Emma and start a picket line around Turner Field.

    The guy definitely needs some work, but it better damn well be limited to low-leverage moments in the game. Up a bunch or down a bunch…although if we’re down a bunch it hardly seems worth the effort.

  37. 37
    Dan Says:

    Unlike others here, I just can’t generate any excitement for these sad sacks

    On the other hand: the team has a one game lead with three to play, and thus is playing very meaningful baseball in the last series of the regular season. A lot of team’s fans would trade places.

  38. 38
    ububba Says:

    So far, so good.

  39. 39
    pcbeachbum Says:


    Thank goodness for Google when Ububba makes mildly esoteric historical references:

    “Granny Hamner Is Found Dead
    September 13, 1993| Associated PressGranville Wilbur (Granny) Hamner, who joined the major leagues at age 17 and played shortstop for the Philadelphia Phillies during the 1940s and 1950s, was found dead in his Philadelphia hotel room. He was 66. Preliminary reports said that Hamner, of Paulsboro, N.J., suffered a heart attack. He was attending a sports memorabilia and card show in Philadelphia.

    Hamner, a 17-year veteran, was an All-Star from 1952-54. He was the starting shortstop in 1952 and starting second baseman in 1954, becoming the first player in All-Star history to win starting berths at two positions. He was traded to Cleveland in 1959 and retired in 1962.

    Rumors he will be dug up sometime in the future to play shortstop in an attempt to unnerve the opposition appear without merit. Possible sources are being investigated.”

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    John R. Says:


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    Dan Says:


  42. 42
    JoeyT Says:

    Nice. Delgado, it’s all you, kid.

  43. 43
    Brian J. Says:

    I don’t know who else watches via GameDay, but MLB is stuffing more and more commercials onto the service, so that viewers cannot follow the game. The whole bottom of the 1st passed while I saw nothing but commercials!

    Until CHIPPER!

  44. 44
    Smitty Says:


  45. 45
    John R. Says:

    There’s your run, R-Del. Go get ’em, kid.

  46. 46
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Attaboy, Chipper. Lead the way.

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    Smitty Says:


  48. 48
    DG Says:

    I think there’s a problem with the scoreboard, because my TV shows that the Braves are up 1-0.

  49. 49
    JoeyT Says:

    Hopefully the early run will psych the Cardinals out during warm-ups.

  50. 50
    Dan Says:

    Stupid shift.

    Why play to pull with the shift and then pitch away the entire at-bat?

  51. 51
    csg Says:

    I hate the shift

  52. 52
    Smitty Says:

    Read on Twitter that Lee is on a 75 pitch count

  53. 53
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    I like this Randall Delgado kid. I think we should trade him for Andrew McCutchen.

  54. 54
    John R. Says:

    I think Utley could have headed down to Zesto on Ponce and gotten a soft-serve and still thrown out McCann.

  55. 55
    Big D Says:

    Brian McCann is seriously one of the slowest human beings.

    EDIT: WRT footspeed, not intelligence

  56. 56
    Dan Says:

    The last Pirates center fielder the Braves traded for (who has seemingly fallen off the face of the Earth) left a bad taste.

  57. 57
    ububba Says:

    That works. Nice hustle, Matty.

  58. 58
    John R. Says:

    The power and the speed of the Diaz!!!

  59. 59
    Brian J. Says:

    That was Diaz’ first extra-base hit as a Brave in 2011.

  60. 60
    ububba Says:

    Yeah, AAG… our September slugger.

  61. 61
    John R. Says:


  62. 62
    Brian J. Says:

    AAG rides again. I’ve almost gotten past the cognitive dissonance.

  63. 63
    DG Says:

    Does. Not. Compute.

  64. 64
    Grst Says:

    Wow, what a terrible 0-2 pitch to AAG.

  65. 65
    F Says:

    Did that just happen?

  66. 66
    JoeyT Says:

    Jack Wilson wouldn’t have hit for extra bases. I’m so torn between them.

  67. 67
    Nick Says:

    How long do you think it would take for Brian McCann to make it around the bases for an inside-the-park homer? Does anyone honestly think he would break the 45-second mark?

    EDIT: Maybe the trick is to make sure AAG is playing with a strained calf.

  68. 68
    John R. Says:

    For the record I want to compliment Fredi for not having R-Del bunt here.

    UPDATE: And see? Something good happened. A very close play at first, could have been a hit or a rushed play error, but at the very least one of those mythical “productive outs.” The bunt is overrated.

  69. 69
    Brian J. Says:

    Then you have to retract it for having Bourn bunt.

  70. 70
    DG Says:

    Plays like that with Delgado make me think about the DH a little more. The last thing this team needs is another injury.

  71. 71
    ububba Says:

    A bunt single with 2 outs & a runner on third is fine.

  72. 72
    John R. Says:

    67: For B-Mac to get an inside-the-parker, I think it would to be in Minute Maid, hit to deep center field, roll up that stupid hill and all the way up that flag pole, where it would miraculously come to rest on the top of the staff. Oh, and the flagpole would need to be greased so the centerfielder wouldn’t be able to shimmy up there without the grounds crew coming on the field and cleaning it off.

    And even then it would be close.

  73. 73
    John R. Says:

    69: Bunting for a hit is a different animal than the sacrifice bunt.

    70: Bah! These guys are supposed to be athletes. If a guy is so dainty his career is ruined while running to first, I don’t want him.

  74. 74
    Brian J. Says:

    37 pitches by Lee, so he’s halfway to his pitch count.

  75. 75
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    When was the last time we scored twice in one game? I feel like I’m rooting for the Yankees over here.

  76. 76
    Brian J. Says:

    Weird. Nine pitches in the inning, seven of them to the opposing pitcher.

  77. 77
    John R. Says:

    And our starter is through 3 with a relatively modest 37 pitches. WTF??

  78. 78
    Phillip Says:

    Don’t get too crazy guys……long way to go….

  79. 79
    DG Says:

    @73: I wouldn’t say ruined career, but severely injured, requiring surgery, and out for at least one season. It happens way too often, even to the toughest of players who play everyday. I wonder what the poll results would look like if NL managers were asked about adding the DH.

  80. 80
    Marc Says:

    Wow, I tuned in expecting to see Cliff Lee beginning his 1,000 year dark reign, glad to see we’ve staved off that horror for now.

  81. 81
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    “Sometimes you got to tip your cap to the rule change.”

    Maybe that’s just what our manager would say.

  82. 82
    Phillip Says:

    Oh jeez….

  83. 83
    ububba Says:

    C’mon, Randall…

  84. 84
    JoeyT Says:

    I bring in Kimbrel right here. These are playoff games.

  85. 85
    PeteOrr Says:

    If rusty linestink enters this game in the 4th inning I will combust.

  86. 86
    JoeyT Says:

    I just inhaled. I kind of forgot what that was like.

  87. 87
    urlhix Says:

    Nice recovery.

  88. 88
    Phillip Says:

    Whew…..we need about 5/6 more runs before I’ll relax a little.

  89. 89
    ububba Says:

    Coulda been way worse.

  90. 90
    PeteOrr Says:

    Geez, tense game. At least Linebrinkian disaster has been staved off for one more inning.

  91. 91
    Nick Says:


    I sincerely doubt that’s the only situation like that we’ll face in this game.

  92. 92
    csg Says:

    Oh Chip, talking fielding %’s

  93. 93
    csg Says:

    Two words I hate hearing…”Good cut” or “Good swing”

  94. 94
    JoeyT Says:

    Wandy just got out of a pickle. Go ‘Stros.

  95. 95
    ububba Says:

    Lee’s at 70 pitches & due to lead off the 5th.

  96. 96
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Heck of a catch by Polanco there.

  97. 97
    urlhix Says:

    Best thing Prado has done all month.

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    ububba Says:


  99. 99
    Brian J. Says:

    Lee batted for himself. This never works out when we do it (squeezing one more inning out of the starter), but then again Fredlot’s the one deciding when we do it.

  100. 100
    Brian J. Says:

    Damn. Warm up the ‘pen, Delgado’s about done.

  101. 101
    John R. Says:

    R-Del needs to brush one of these guys back. They’re all on top of the plate.

  102. 102
    csg Says:

    Man, its strange having confidence in AAG doing something good.

    edit: then he k’s looking

  103. 103
    Brian J. Says:

    Hibernation Mode. Can’t say it surprises me, just depresses me.

    Edit: And Holliday singles in a run, 1-0 Cards.

  104. 104
    braves14 Says:

    Frediot needs to go to O’Ventbrel now. But he won’t.

  105. 105
    Jeremy Says:

    C’mon Lisp. Be good.

  106. 106
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    It’s the Lisp.

  107. 107
    Mac Thomason Says:

    This is going to be a morning recap. A bad one, I fear.

  108. 108
    DG Says:

    Oh for the love of FSG, I hate Shane Victorino…

  109. 109
    John R. Says:

    I hate Victorino. And Heyward throws him out.

  110. 110
    Jeremy Says:

    Why didn’t he bring in EOF to start the frigging inning?

  111. 111
    NickH Says:

    Hmm. I’ve been thinking, guys – maybe it’s just not our year? I’ve divined a few subtle signs pointing in that direction.

  112. 112
    John R. Says:

    O’ is in.


  113. 113
    Seat Painter Says:

    Let’s see, I get back from a meeting, turn on the game just in time to see Rollins homer. I won’t be watching any more of the game.

  114. 114
    JoeyT Says:

    This is depressing. Even EOF can’t save this game.

  115. 115
    csg Says:

    and there’s your ballgame

  116. 116
    JoeyT Says:

    ‘Stros are in good shape this inning. At least there’s that.

  117. 117
    Brian J. Says:

    Wandy Rodriguez squeezes in a run. 1-1.

  118. 118
    Anon21 Says:

    I just feel like the Braves have somehow literally been prohibited, or have forgotten, or I don’t even know what–somehow they’re incapable of coming back from any deficit. So it feels like Victorino out at third is the game-deciding run.

  119. 119
    John R. Says:

    Astros tie on a Wandy sac bunt. Must have been a safety squeeze.

  120. 120
    csg Says:

    over/under on braves baserunners the last 4 innings – Ill set it at 3 and take the under

  121. 121
    JoeyT Says:

    Tie game in Gasland!

  122. 122
    Brian J. Says:

    Bourgeois doubles in Towles. 2-1 Houston.

  123. 123
    ububba Says:

    Astros 2, Cards 1

  124. 124
    Marc Says:

    Last time we won was Friday, which was also the last time I got drunk. I’m heading to the liquor store.

  125. 125
    Adam M Says:

    I don’t have a problem with the bullpen usage–if anything I probably would have stuck with Lisp once I turned to him in the inning, but at least Fredi has demonstrated some understanding of leverage.

  126. 126
    Anon21 Says:

    So that, as they say, is that. And I’ve learned not to trust scrub teams to hold off the Cardinals. Therefore that, as they say, is tied with two left to play.

    Can the Braves force a one-game playoff, or will they simply end the season two games back?

  127. 127
    csg Says:

    I wouldve handed the ball to Lisp. He’s been pitching well. This offense sucks.

  128. 128
    csg Says:

    nice play old man

  129. 129
    John R. Says:

    Freddie must do yoga. That guy can do a split with the best of ’em.

  130. 130
    F Says:

    So much for the pitch count.

  131. 131
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Remember when all we had to worry about was Constanza playing well?

  132. 132
    John R. Says:

    Read on Twitter that Lee is on a 75 pitch count

    Twitter lies!!!!

    Okay, Chipper. Dial up another solo homer.

  133. 133
    Dan Says:

    Read on Twitter that Lee is on a 75 pitch count

    Never believe Twitter.

  134. 134
    mravery Says:

    There ya go, Chipper!

  135. 135
    Stu Says:

    Hack, hack, hack, Martin. Few things are as gross as a Prado PA.

  136. 136
    John R. Says:

    Chipper moves past Ted Williams, ties Dave Parker for 36th all time doubles with 526.

  137. 137
    mravery Says:

    I just saw a chick on TV with a Boyer jersey. WTF?

  138. 138
    Dan Says:

    Can the Braves please flip Prado and Gonzalez in the order? What happened to the “hot hand” theory espoused by the manager?

  139. 139
    Anon21 Says:

    The unplayable Martin Prado strikes out swinging. The little chyron next to the score tells me to go buy Braves NLDS tickets. Just one of life’s excruciating little jokes!

  140. 140
    John R. Says:

    Ryan “The Riot” Theriot hit into a DP to end the Cards 4th. Still 2-1 ‘Stros.

  141. 141
    Adam M Says:

    @135 Perhaps it’s perverse, but I feel relieved that there’s somebody else on this board as frustrated with Martin Prado as I have been.

    Also, Dan Uggla has re-joined the ranks of the wretched.

  142. 142
    JoeyT Says:

    You’re our only hope, Wandy. Complete game plz.

  143. 143
    braves14 Says:

    Fire Parrish.

  144. 144
    PeteOrr Says:

    Chipper could’ve died of old age on second base waiting for a hit there.

  145. 145
    John R. Says:

    I just saw a chick on TV with a Boyer jersey. WTF?

    If the Braves can have Star Wars day, they oughta have “Obscure And/Or Non-Star Braves Player Jersey” day. I’d proudly wear my Rick Mahler jersey.

  146. 146
    Adam M Says:

    The other hope is Jaime Garcia. He’s been up and down all year, and is due for a collapse.

    Right on cue: he gives up a two-run shot.

  147. 147
    John R. Says:

    And Chipper is hobbling. Wunnerful wunnerful…

    Can’t believe Rollins isn’t laying a bunt down the third base line.

  148. 148
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    2-run homer by Matt Downs (who?), 4-1 Astros.

  149. 149
    csg Says:

    Chipper cant move.

  150. 150
    Brian J. Says:

    145- Not fair to Rick, who was the second-best player we had in the dark days of the late ’80s.

  151. 151
    Stu Says:

    Camera showed Fredi being advised by Snitker in the dugout. That’s about right.

  152. 152
    braves14 Says:

    So, what else can go wrong for the Braves?

  153. 153
    csg Says:

    Prado is beyond frustrating to watch. He and Bmac both right now.

  154. 154
    Anon21 Says:

    So, do we think this “no coming back from any deficit” thing is a league rule, or a directive from Liberty Media, or a strategic concept that Fredi is pioneering, or what?

  155. 155
    Dan Says:

    4-1 Astros.

    (Yay rooting for the worst team in the majors, because you know the Braves aren’t coming back in a million years.)

  156. 156
    John R. Says:

    150: But Rick is most definitely a non-star. And my favorite Brave of all time.

  157. 157
    csg Says:

    Anon, I think its more of a Larry Parrish philosophy

  158. 158
    John R. Says:

    151: I didn’t see mouths moving, though. Must have been mental telepathy.

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    JoeyT Says:

    EOF is EOAwesome

  160. 160
    Adam M Says:

    I don’t begrudge the Phillies for starting all of their guys, but considering the fact that so many of them are banged up, it would be hilarious if one of their key guys got hurt in this–for them anyway–meaningless game.

  161. 161
    Brian J. Says:

    Flaherty’s ERA just ticked below 1.00. There’s something, I guess.

  162. 162
    PeteOrr Says:

    This is the most pathetic damn thing I’ve ever witnessed. The worst team in baseball, a team something like 18 games under .500 at home, is doing more to help the braves make the playoffs than they are themselves. Revolting.

  163. 163
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Apparently EOF currently has the lowest ERA of all time for a pitcher who appeared in at least 75 games.

  164. 164
    John R. Says:

    162: One of the most pathetic scenarios nobody’s yet mentioned is the Braves losing all three to the Phillies while the Cards get swept by the Astros. The Braves make the playoffs under possibly the most embarrassing methods ever.

    163: That’s not an insignificant feat!

  165. 165
    JoeyT Says:

    Hopefully Savery is savory for the Braves’ offense.

  166. 166
    Stu Says:

    Joe: Extremely clueless. Has no idea about Savery’s history.

  167. 167
    Dan Says:

    Random reliever who is apparently a former position player.

    Run(s) please.

  168. 168
    Anon21 Says:

    164: You’d have to assume that would be even more embarrassing for the Cardinals, though. In which case, I’ll take it!

  169. 169
    Adam M Says:

    McCann is a mess.

  170. 170
    Stu Says:

    167—No, he’s a former pitcher who failed so miserably that they tried to Ankiel him. (He was great at both hitting and pitching in college.) Then, they let him pitch again, and he did alright.

  171. 171
    Adam M Says:

    In other news, Josh Beckett just gave up a 3-run inside-the-park home run. Saux down 6-2, Rays up 4-2.

  172. 172
    Anon21 Says:

    So, time to get some mileage out of this whole team name/mascot thing, huh? Since the players clearly aren’t going to get it done, how about Chase Utley goes to field that pathetic slow roller off the bat of McCann…and suddenly, a tomahawk sprouts from his forehead?

    I’m not saying I want the Braves to reach the playoffs through brutal violence. I’m just saying, if it’s between Chase Utley’s life and the Braves making the playoffs…

  173. 173
    Stu Says:

    Why is Heyward not batting right now?

  174. 174
    braves14 Says:

    So, why don’t we hit Heyward here?

  175. 175
    PeteOrr Says:

    @164 – That would be truly sad. I would at least consider pulling for our first round opponent in that case.

  176. 176
    Dan Says:

    Where’s Heyward‽ Even Simpson is asking.

  177. 177
    JoeyT Says:

    Bases loaded no outs for STL. Crud.

  178. 178
    csg Says:

    Cards have bases loaded no outs

  179. 179
    Adam M Says:

    In a weird way, I’ve recently started to feel sorry for Fredi lately; much of what is going on is not actually his fault. But then he does this. Screw you, Frediot, you joke.

  180. 180
    Adam M Says:

    Cards have bases loaded no outs

    No worries. It’s only Freese, Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman coming up.

  181. 181
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Stu, Savery wasn’t that bad. Ss John Sickels recounted:

    Savery was a star at Rice University, thriving as both a hitter and pitcher. His campaign in 2007 was particularly successful: he hit .356/.435/.505 in 275 at-bats, while going 11-1, 2.99 on the mound. Despite some shoulder problems, scouts preferred him as a pitcher, and he was drafted in the first round, 19th overall. He threw 150 innings in the Florida State League in 2008, but didn’t perform as well as expected, going 9-10, 4.13 with a 122/60 K/BB and 171 hits allowed. His velocity was down from his college days, and scouts were concerned about how he would fare at higher levels.

    Savery won 16 games between Double-A and Triple-A in 2009, but a 4.40 ERA and a 96/77 K/BB in 151 innings were unimpressive. He was even worse in 2010, going 1-12, 4.66 with a 67/51 K/BB in 127 innings and 154 hits allowed in Triple-A. His career on the ropes, Savery moved to the outfield and first base to begin 2011. He performed well, hitting .307/.368/.410 in 54 games for High-A Clearwater.

    However, late in the spring, Savery hit 90-92 MPH during an emergency relief outing for Clearwater. By early July he had his college velocity back, and he returned to pitching full-time. He ended up posting a 1.50 ERA with a 41/6 K/BB in 36 innings between High-A, Double-A, and Triple-A.

    RBI Run-scoring double-play groundout, now it’s 4-2 Stros.

  182. 182
    Anon21 Says:

    The exact kind of line drive that Matt Diaz would allow to drop in front of him for a base hit. And did, in the top of the inning.

    Oh well. I’m sure glad we kept his bat in the lineup and his glove in the field!

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    Brian J. Says:

    Freese brings home a run… by grounding into a DP. 4-2 Astros.

  184. 184
    csg Says:

    Freese grounded into DP, 4-2 2outs

  185. 185
    JoeyT Says:

    1 run, 2 outs. I’ll take it. Go Wandy.

  186. 186
    John R. Says:

    172: As ambivalent as I am now about my favorite team making the playoffs, I still would take it if it meant the horrific on field murder of Chase Utley. What does that say about me?

  187. 187
    Brian J. Says:

    Pujols strikes out to end the threat. Still 4-2. Wandy’s at 87 pitches, probably only one more inning.

    John, it means you give Philly the respect it deserves.

  188. 188
    JoeyT Says:

    Wandy pwnd Pujols. Three pitch strikeout.

  189. 189
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Poo holes struck out!!!

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    Stu Says:

    181—Uh, that’s pretty bad, man. I’ve followed Savery’s career pretty closely.

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    csg Says:

    meanwhile, Detroit has scored 14 runs tonight. What I wouldnt give for 14 in this series much less one game.

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    Adam M Says:

    Good grief. That was horrible defense.

    Edit: Wandy Rodriguez just doubled. He seems to the only one interested in getting the Braves to the postseason.

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    Anon21 Says:

    One run. Six outs. The question on every Braves player’s mind: “I wonder how Pebble Beach is this time of year?”

  194. 194
    Brian J. Says:

    Furcal hurt his leg and left the game in Houston.

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    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Ugh. I hate Ibanez. Venters was looking pretty good this inning… and that “double” really should have been caught by Chipper, who is not at all right.

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    DG Says:

    If they don’t do it in the bottom of the 8th, it isn’t going to happen. Oh, did I mention I hate Victorino?

  197. 197
    csg Says:

    Dont worry Johnny, they werent coming back either way.

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    Adam M Says:

    Is it me, or has the Braves infield defense actually gotten worse over the course of the season? I feel like the enduring image from this season, other than any number of hitters popping the ball up, is the sight of Dan Uggla more than 20 feet away from a seemingly-routine ground ball.

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    Jeremy Says:

    This is so depressing.

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    Stu Says:

    198—…but fully laid out, diving for it, anyway.

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    JoeyT Says:

    How is that ironic, Chip?

    (Hint: It’s not.)

  202. 202
    Brian J. Says:

    201- Like a black fly in your chardonnay, I’m guessing?

    Still 4-2 Houston after 5.

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    John R. Says:

    That was a lethal pitch by Lidge. Gotta tip your cap…

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    csg Says:

    and that looked like a ball

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    Dan Says:

    Wandy Rodriguez is currently the only MLB player interested in getting the Atlanta Braves into the 2011 playoffs, it seems.

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    Jeremy Says:

    A WALK!

    News at 11.

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    JoeyT Says:

    Okay, Prado. Do not hit into a double play plz.

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    PeteOrr Says:

    0 for his last 15. 0-6 in his career against Lidge. Prado!

  209. 209
    Dan Says:

    Oh goody: Prado. Try to contain your excitement.

    Edit: Prado singled. Come on, Chipper.

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    John R. Says:

    I hope Chipper can hit the ball.

    Double steal?

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    Jeremy Says:

    C’mon Chipper. One time.

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    Stu Says:

    Time to bunt, IMO.

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    Dan Says:


    Should have bunted.

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    John R. Says:

    Well, poop.

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    Jeremy Says:


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    Brian J. Says:

    Of course. Someone had to ground into a DP.

    Cards go down 1-2-3 in the top of the 6th.

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    Adam M Says:

    Chipper is, after all, on the Braves.

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    Ethan Says:


  219. 219
    Dan Says:

    If the Braves get a base runner in the bottom of the ninth, will Fredi let Heyward hit?

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    John R. Says:

    With all the runs we’ve scored tonight, it’s easy to forget we’ve only had 7 baserunners.

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    MikeM Says:

    This bites.

  222. 222
    Dan Says:

    This bites.

    Hey, save that for when you see tomorrow’s game.

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    JoeyT Says:

    I’m paying more attention to the ‘Stros battle on my laptop than the lost cause on the TV.

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    Ryan c Says:

    So, if we win and come back off of Madson, I’ll lose the lead in the finals of our Braves Journal league. Screw it…Let’s go Braves!

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    JoeyT Says:

    I post that as Uggla hits a double. I’ll try it again in a second.

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    Adam M Says:

    Wow, Ibanez is so bad. If the Phillies don’t win the pennant, he’s going to play a part in their losing.

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    csg Says:

    Heyward should hit for Bmac. At least according to the numbers vs Madson.

  228. 228
    JoeyT Says:

    I’m paying more attention to the ‘Stros battle on my laptop than the lost cause on the TV.

  229. 229
    Jeremy Says:

    Must we swing at every single first pitch?

  230. 230
    John R. Says:

    Cards are rallying. Come on, Braves. Do something.

  231. 231
    Stu Says:

    Two on, nobody out for the Cards, as Wandy is being removed. I’ll be pretty surprised if the Astros win that game.

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    JoeyT Says:

    Wandy’s still pitching. I believe in you, Wandy!

  233. 233
    JoeyT Says:

    No! My delay is longer than yours. Farewell, Wandy. Thanks for everything.

  234. 234
    Brian J. Says:

    Cards have runners on 2nd and 3rd, 1 out, top 7th, Wandy’s gone, Wilton Lopez in.

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    csg Says:

    were any of the last 3 pitches to Freeman going to be strikes? I hate this team and their refusal to take walks.

  236. 236
    Jeremy Says:

    CB Bucknor might be more incompetent than Chip.

  237. 237
    Stu Says:

    CB Bucknor is just awesomely bad.

  238. 238
    John R. Says:

    Wandy, Wilton. Wilton, Wandy. [/Letterman]

  239. 239
    JoeyT Says:

    I do not know you, Wilton Lopez, but your numbers are good. Good luck.

  240. 240
    Brian J. Says:

    Another swing and miss at a ball at the letters… “Nike.”

  241. 241
    Jeremy Says:

    McCann with yet another anemic AB. Pathetic.

  242. 242
    Adam M Says:

    McCann just looks like he has no interest in being out there. He’s done for the season, I fear, much like the Braves.

  243. 243
    Dan Says:

    Thanks Freddie and McCann.

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    Brian J. Says:

    And that’s it. Now, will Wilton save our bacon?

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    Stu Says:


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    csg Says:

    lol, this team sucks so bad.

  247. 247
    Adam M Says:

    @244 Braves don’t deserve it, but I guess I’m rooting for the Astros anyway.

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    John R. Says:

    Congratulations, Phillies! After facing the likes of the Mets and Nationals, you snapped an eight-game losing streak and won your 100th game!

    Soooo embarrassing. Go ‘Stros.

    Just got a text from a friend: “Magic number is now three!”

  249. 249
    Brian J. Says:

    248- They snapped it yesterday, John.

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    MikeM Says:

    This is quite cruel, to have two years in a row with 5 months of good baseball just to have it fizzle at the end.

    Karma balance in store?

  251. 251
    JoeyT Says:

    Yeah, Lopez!

  252. 252
    Brian J. Says:

    250- No, just management and players that collectively stop giving a damn on Labor Day.

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    kc Says:

    Once the pressure is on, they are all choking. That’s a great characteristic to have.

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    csg Says:

    gotta give the ball to Huddy tomorrow

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    csg Says:

    How many pitches do the Braves swing at outside of the zone with runners in scoring position? Its like they all turn into Jeff Francoeur when someone reaches. Of course it takes a hit because they hate walking.

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    John R. Says:

    249: Oops!

    250: Last year was a genuine case for injuries. And we played damn hard in the NLDS. Gotta be proud of last season. This year? It’s just head-shakin’ sadness all around…

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    Dan Says:

    This is quite cruel, to have two years in a row with 5 months of good baseball just to have it fizzle at the end. Karma balance in store?

    Punishment for laughing at the Mets in 2007-2008.

  258. 258
    Brian J. Says:

    Thank you, Wilton!

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    csg Says:

    Nice job Wilton

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    JoeyT Says:

    Yeah, Lopez! Runners at 2nd and 3rd w/one out = NO RUNS.

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    Rob Cope Says:

    I’m trying to stay positive but I’m running out of reasons too. I hate that we’re scoreboard watching when this was our Wild Card three weeks ago. This sucks.

  262. 262
    joelk Says:

    I was so scarred by the Braves of the 70’s and 80’s I’m just glad to still be playing meaningful games! Call me old I guess!

  263. 263
    Trace Says:

    Scoreboard watching the Astros. It’d be funny if it weren’t so sad.

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    Brian J. Says:

    Elsewhere in Collapses for the Ages, the Rays lead the Yankees 5-2, and bring in Kyle Farnsworth to get the final out (their entry in the Battle of Godawful Ex-Braves). They’re now 1 game behind the Red Sox, now losing 6-2 after eight.

  265. 265
    krugerindustrialsmoothing Says:

    any projection as to who the starting pitchers would be in a one game playoff?

  266. 266
    Jeremy Says:

    McCann is done. He’s either checked out mentally or injured. Either way, he needs to sit.

  267. 267
    csg Says:

    #265 – its Beachy if Lowe and Huddy pitch the next two.

  268. 268
    Brian J. Says:

    And Farnworth gets Montero to ground out to short to end it. The Red Sox lead is half a game.

    (I work with a Sox fan, and misery loves company.)

  269. 269
    JoeyT Says:

    These players for the Astros feel like third grade vocab. “Shuck”, “Bourgeois”, “Downs”

  270. 270
    Mike N. Says:

    257- Yea I’m really not looking forward to what my two Mets fans friends are going to say to me if the Braves lose it.

  271. 271
    PeteOrr Says:

    Astros radio is pretty entertaining. Some possibly senile old man is wishing listener Pete Schweddy a happy birthday. He seemed quite concerned that he may have mispronounced the last name.

  272. 272
    JoeyT Says:

    I think I was listening to NPR when that guy was a guest. He had some sort of food item.

  273. 273
    Brian J. Says:

    271- I hope listener Pete has a ball.

    Red Sox lose 6-3 in Baltimore. AL Wild Card race is tied.

  274. 274
    Stu Says:

    270—Discard them and find better friends.

  275. 275
    Randy Says:

    At least the Red Sox collapsed before us.

  276. 276
    JoeyT Says:

    Great. Two on, none out, Berkman up. Ugh. Why couldn’t that Lopez guy have pitched another inning? He was pretty good.

  277. 277
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:


    But perhaps not long before, the way Fernando Rodriguez is pitching.

    EDIT: Pitching change. Don’t know if it will help, but it’s something.

  278. 278
    Smitty Says:

    Here come the Cards

  279. 279
    Brian J. Says:

    Wesley Wright is the new pitcher.

    Love the stat line, anyway: 11.2 IP, *3* H, 1 R/ER, 5 BB, 11 K.

  280. 280
    John R. Says:

    I was hoping on the night the Phillies got their 100th win, the Astros would get their 56th. Perhaps it will still come to pass…

  281. 281
    csg Says:

    prediction – STL scores 4 this inning

  282. 282
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    I just can’t tell if we’re small, flightless birds or assorted rodents.

  283. 283
    JoeyT Says:

    Double steal. Double freaking steal.

  284. 284
    F Says:

    If it makes anyone feel better, Philadelphia will probably sweep the Cardinals in the NLDS.

  285. 285
    Brian J. Says:

    Double steal. Cards have runners 2nd and 3rd.

    Edit: And Berkman doubles them both in. 4-4.

  286. 286
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Tied. And if Fredi had called that double steal, somehow it would have ended with two men out.

  287. 287
    John R. Says:

    Tie ball game.

  288. 288
    PeteOrr Says:

    Tied game. I’m just so sad.

  289. 289
    Putter Says:

    The Braves deserve this…assholes

  290. 290
    JoeyT Says:

    Gosh this sucks. We’ll be tied for the WC by the end of the night. Ick.

  291. 291
    Dan Says:

    Just root for the Cardinals. This Braves team deserves nothing but contempt.

  292. 292
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    ” … and finally, acceptance.”

  293. 293
    Smitty Says:

    If Ted Turner were a live, this would never happen

  294. 294
    Marc Says:

    My trip to the liquor store didn’t work but I do have a tremendous amount of alcohol to consume over the next two days as we blow this thing.

  295. 295
    A.West Says:

    I cannot believe they are going to let Lowe pitch tomorrow. He’s nearly an automatic loss. Should have saved the Lisp today and let him start tomorrow. He’d probably last longer into the game than Lowe. The Braves’ collection of spare relievers could patch together a better game than I think Lowe will.
    Of course I’m not watching the games anymore, with the Braves torturing their fans with all round ineptitude and managerial incompetence.
    I’m sure Fredi will stick with veteran Lowe, and the Braves front office will stick with mentally challenged
    manager Fredi.

  296. 296
    ryan c Says:

    Hey guys, it’s ok. My fantasy team just picked up a run, rbi, and save at the Braves’ expense. Screw real baseball!

    Screw this…

  297. 297
    Trace Says:

    It’s really bad when UGA football is the one team that I pull for that gives me some glimmer of hope. And they’re still not very good.

  298. 298
    Nick Says:

    So Molina walks on four pitches, three of which were strikes

  299. 299
    Smitty Says:

    My facebook status:

    Stupid Fredi Gonzalez. We all want a new car, a new phone… A team with Fredi Gonzalez only wants one thing… to survive. I know that a lot of you ‘who think they’re too cool’ probably won’t re-post this. But a very little amount of my friends will. Put this on your wall in honor of someone who died from Fredi Gonzalez, survived, or is fighting against this now.

  300. 300
    Rob Cope Says:

    My girlfriend and I are having a great time reading all this humorous “doom and gloom.” Too often “doom and gloom” is not funny at all. Well done, gentleman. Gotta find something to laugh about at this point.

  301. 301
    F Says:

    I wish it was Thursday. I just want this nightmare to be over.

  302. 302
    JoeyT Says:

    @299. I love that.

  303. 303
    Brian J. Says:

    Enerio del Rosario gets out of the jam, but is this just delaying the inevitable?

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    NickH Says:

    With tonight’s loss, the Braves dropped to 9-16 in September. The last time the Braves had a month worse than 9-16 was in August 2008, when that team (which won only 72 games total) went 9-20. On the bright side, there are only 2 games left in the regular season, so the Braves won’t have a chance to match the 20 losses they posted from Aug. 2008.

  305. 305
    JoeyT Says:

    This Houston game is gut-wrenching. I know it won’t end well, but they keep clinging on with the tips of their fingernails. I can’t believe they recovered from that dropped ball.

  306. 306
    Nick Says:

    The other story tonight is that the White Sox are apparently about to trade Ozzie Guillen to the Marlins at the end of the season.

  307. 307
    Dan Says:

    The other story tonight is that the White Sox are apparently about to trade Ozzie Guillen to the Marlins at the end of the season.

    You can trade managers?! Is any team interested in Fredi?

  308. 308
    Smitty Says:


    The Montreal Expos

  309. 309
    F Says:

    Oh, look. It’s Jordan Schafer. Save us Jordan Schafer!

  310. 310
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Back in 2002, Randy Winn was traded for Lou Piniella.

  311. 311
    Nick Says:

    Yeah, I think the issue is someone has to want him.

    The return for Guillen is two minor league players. Nobody has said who yet, that I’ve seen. Also, the trade is apparently going through tonight. This was his last game with the White Sox.

  312. 312
    ububba Says:

    Chuck Tanner was traded for Manny Sanguillen.

  313. 313
    Nick Says:

    Astros one out away from getting to bottom 9. Holliday up, runner on first.

  314. 314
    Mike N. Says:

    Is it really a straight trade though? As in the exact same thing as getting Bourn for 4 players?

  315. 315
    Brian J. Says:

    There’s gotta be a slow-pitch softball team that has a sixpack they can spare for Fredlot.

  316. 316
    JoeyT Says:

    Ozzie Guillen is probably the worst manager in baseball. I am stunned that any team would give up anything for him.

  317. 317
    Randy Says:

    Not only can you trade a manager, the Tigers once traded Jimmie Dykes to Cleveland for their manager. I think it was Joe Gordon. They both sucked.

  318. 318
    Nick Says:


    Seems to be.

    Didn’t the Giants get Felipe Alou from the Expos via trade? Maybe I’m just making that up in my head.

  319. 319
    Dan Says:

    Can’t wait to see Ozzie’s antics 18 times a season.

  320. 320
    Randy Says:

    315 I played for Two State Champion Slow Pitch teams, no way Fredi could have coached at that level.

  321. 321
    Brian J. Says:

    Bottom of the 9th in Houston.

  322. 322
    Smitty Says:

    We were compensated for Mazzoni

  323. 323
    JoeyT Says:

    Astros keep squeaking through. Pujols almost had a 2 run HR, but it stayed in the park, and it’s a tie game in the bottom of the ninth.

    Go ‘Stros!

  324. 324
    Smitty Says:

    Maybe we can get the Marlins fired manager in two years

  325. 325
    F Says:

    C’mon Ashtrays! Let’s go!

  326. 326
    ububba Says:

    How ’bout hitting one into those cursed Crawford Boxes?

  327. 327
    Nick Says:

    In the stupidest comment of the evening, Mitch Williams just claimed that a bunch of Cubs fans would change to White Sox fans if the latter hired Ryne Sandberg as manager.

  328. 328
    JoeyT Says:

    Darn it, ‘Stros. I hate one-pitch ABs.

  329. 329
    Smitty Says:

    Can we hire Sandberg?

  330. 330
    Nick Says:

    Come on, Towelie

  331. 331
    JoeyT Says:

    Maybe then Chip Caray will switch to being a Braves fan.

  332. 332
    Nick Says:

    Extra innings

  333. 333
    Brian J. Says:

    Randy, I didn’t say the softball team had to be good…

    Still tied, going to extras.

  334. 334
    Nick Says:

    How the bleeding hell is Yadier Molina hitting .305?

    EDIT: Maybe it’s because every time a strike is thrown to him, the umpire calls it a ball.

  335. 335
    John R. Says:

    293: Remember Eddie Haas!!!

  336. 336
    PeteOrr Says:

    Milo Hamilton is an idiot. Why would anyone want to spend a holiday weekend at the Molina house? And why would he assume all the Molina brothers live together? I’m so very thankful for Don Sutton and Jim Powell.

  337. 337
    JoeyT Says:

    Heads up play by the pitcher. Nice.

  338. 338
    John R. Says:

    Yadier Molina haters have to like this sequence of events.

  339. 339
    Randy Says:

    Nice baserunning by Molina

  340. 340
    Dan Says:

    Schafer is batting third for the Astros?

  341. 341
    JoeyT Says:

    Yeah, he was brought in as a pinch runner.

  342. 342
    John R. Says:

    Hey did they take that stupid flagpole out of that stupid hill in stupid centerfield at stupid Minute Maid Park?

  343. 343
    Nick Says:

    Brilliant baserunning by the Cardinals. Simply brilliant.

    Schafer came in as a pinch-runner, I believe.

  344. 344
    Brian J. Says:

    Bravesque baserunning by the Cardinals there in the 10th. Finish them off, mighty ‘Stros! (I can’t believe I said that…)

  345. 345
    John R. Says:

    Nice baserunning by the Cardinals. Idiots.

    My favorite though was Yadier standing in the batter’s box like a dumbass watching his pop fly to left field bounce off the wall.

  346. 346
    Marc Says:

    Alight Houston, time to layeth the smackdown.

  347. 347
    JoeyT Says:

    All we need is one solo homer by …

    Carlos Lee! The Astros still have a respectable hitter left. He must win this.

  348. 348
    csg Says:

    3 runs in 27 innings, 2 of those on solo shots. Nice work ladies.

  349. 349
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Looking at the Astros’ record makes me feel better about our recent woes. 104 losses would be tough to swallow.

    That’s a start!

  350. 350
    Randy Says:

    Yes, Big Start!

  351. 351
    JoeyT Says:

    Yeah, Astros player with four syllable name!

  352. 352
    Nick Says:

    Houston with a leadoff double!

  353. 353
    Dan Says:

    The Astros still have Schafer too. #Gwinning

  354. 354
    Randy Says:

    Yay, Runners on corners no one out.

  355. 355
    Brian J. Says:

    First and third, nobody out.

  356. 356
    csg Says:

    Some Russian with a leadoff double

  357. 357
    F Says:

    Bogusevic. That name is inherently funny.

  358. 358
    Nick Says:

    Runners now first and third, nobody out after an error on the sac bunt attempt. Sanchez, Schafer and Lee due up.

  359. 359
    ububba Says:

    C’mon, Lastros… a little favor, OK?

  360. 360
    JonathanF Says:

    The Braves find it impossible to score in this situation… but the Astros are a better team.

  361. 361
    DG Says:

    Wow, the Astros are about to keep the Braves from suffering the same fate of the Red Sox today.

  362. 362
    PeteOrr Says:

    Yes! We put down a good bunt and were rewarded with a misplay and runners on 1st and 3rd with no outs! Man, I really feel good about this ‘Stros team in the future. I think we’ll be pretty good by 2015. Hope they don’t move us to the AL.

  363. 363
    JoeyT Says:

    Cardinals are about to lose to Carlos Lee, Wandy, Barmes, Schafer, and a bunch of guys I have never seen.

  364. 364
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Rooting for the Astros feels like trying to hook my father up with his secretary.

  365. 365
    PeteOrr Says:

    We win! ‘Stros win!

  366. 366
    JoeyT Says:

    Hells yeah, Mr. Bogusevic!

  367. 367
    Randy Says:


  368. 368
    Grst Says:

    Astros win on a bunt. Fredi is in ecstasy.

  369. 369
    John R. Says:

    Fredi’s having an orgasm right now with that suicide squeeze…

    CORRECTION: Safety, not suicide. Still, Fredi must feel really gratified to have shaved a game off the magic number with such a bold strategic maneuver!

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    Stu Says:

    Long live the Astros.

  371. 371
    Nick Says:

    Lets not count are chickens before they hatch, if that’s OK with everyone.

    EDIT: Wait….ha ha hah hah ah!!!! Greatest late post ever!!!!

  372. 372
    Randy Says:

    I’m not proud, thanks ASTROS!!!

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    ububba Says:


  374. 374
    RobBroad4th Says:


  375. 375
    Brian J. Says:


    Seriously, one ****ing win clinches a playoff game. Is that too much to ask?!?! (Don’t answer that…)

  376. 376
    Dan Says:

    Come on Astros, don’t ‘pull a Braves’ here.

    Edit: they already won it!

  377. 377
    spike Says:

    Ballgame Houston

  378. 378
    DG Says:

    Wow. There are no words. The Braves head into tomorrow still up one game. The magic number is now two, ha ha.

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    PeteOrr Says:

    Boy, I know it’s been a rough season but it’s really nice to see our guys put it all on the line for the last series. I’m really proud of these guys.

  380. 380
    Nathan Says:

    So we’re a game up with two games to play, right?

  381. 381
    JonathanF Says:

    See, it’s like Fredi always says… bunting is the key to victory.

  382. 382
    John R. Says:

    368: LOL! Like minds think alike. :p And I chose my description very carefully as not to unduly offend…

  383. 383
    PaulV Says:

    I was hoping Success would earn his playoff share.

  384. 384
    PeteOrr Says:

    Yep, we just have to win one frigging game to guarantee at least a 163rd game.

  385. 385
    Scump Says:

    Thank you Astros! Do I forgive you now, Chris Burke? FUCK no.

  386. 386
    Dan Says:

    Yep, we just have to win one frigging game to guarantee at least a 163rd game.

    Saying we gotta jump the Grand Canyon on a tricycle would be just as reassuring.

  387. 387
    Mike N. Says:

    And we take one more step backwards towards the playoffs.

  388. 388
    JoeyT Says:

    What do you have against people with Downs Syndrome?

  389. 389
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:


    To quote Cannibal Corpse, “Make Them Suffer”!

  390. 390
    Brian J. Says:

    AAR, I’m pretty sure the only ones suffering here are us.

    This whole “pennant race” and Dan’s comment bring this scene to mind:

    I also watched Terra Nova tonight. It also made a bad evening worse.

  391. 391
    JoeyT Says:

    Mac should recap the Astros game instead of the Braves game.

  392. 392
    pcbeachbum Says:

    Much like Chip, irony sometimes escapes me. But, watching ESPN play-by-play and seeing Jordan Schafer’s picture as on-deck batter and WEARING an Atlanta Braves cap, would it have been ironic if he had won the game?

    @381 LOL. “Bunting is the key to victory.”

  393. 393
    John R. Says:

    Fredi postgame quote: “You gotta tip your hat to the Cardinals. They played hard all the way to the end. But you also gotta tip your hat to the Astros, who just really know how to win. And while I’m at it, you gotta tip your hat to the squeeze play – both safety and suicide. Until you know how to do that as a manager, you really haven’t arrived in the big leagues. Cardinals play hard, Astros victory, Braves shave a game off the magic number…It’s days like this we can all feel like winners.”

  394. 394
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Actually, the Red Sox are suffering even more — they’re now tied with the Rays. It is a great time to be a Sox hater in Boston right now.

  395. 395
    Randy Says:

    As lousy as we’ve played, a Braves win and a Cards loss tomorrow gives us the pennant!

  396. 396
    Bolger Says:

    I hate to be a downer, but everyone knows Derek Lowe is pitching tomorrow, right?

  397. 397
    JoeyT Says:

    I still can’t believe the Cardinals choked against the worst team in all of baseball. There’s not a lot of shame in losing to a Phillies team starting their best players. Losing to the killer Bs of Bogusevic, Bourgeois, and Barmes, however, takes some South Park skill.

  398. 398
    ububba Says:

    Well, the Wild Card, but something like that did cross my mind. Astounding, I know.

    Then I thought: Could the Astros win 2 more?

  399. 399
    PeteOrr Says:

    There has got to be a more appropriate name for the thing we have the opportunity to clinch tomorrow. Like “shame banner,” or “coffin drape.” Maybe “adult cloth diaper.” We can clinch the surrender flag tomorrow guys!

  400. 400
    Marc Says:


    I recorded Terra Nova, would you say it’s a skip?

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    JoeyT Says:

    What makes this sweeter is that we have Lowe pitching tomorrow, and he Knows How To Win.

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    Nick Says:


    Yes, that would actually be ironic. Having the score of both games be 4-2 is coincidental, as is every other thing Chip thinks is ironic.

  403. 403
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Hey, if we manage to pull this thing off, it’ll be because of the two sweetest words in the English language: default!

  404. 404
    Mike N. Says:

    If the Braves and Cards both lose out, thus clinching the Wild Card for the Braves, do you think they would still do a rowdy champagne celebration?

  405. 405
    Brian J. Says:

    400- Yeah, I would. Avoiding spoilers, the dinosaurs were pretty pedestrian and we didn’t see that much of them, and I’m honestly not sure they understand what their premise is.

    403- AAR, actually I’d like to see Fredi honored the way Homer was in that episode- by launching him into space. Shame we don’t have a space shuttle anymore, so it’d have to be on one of our rockets that burn up during re-entry.

    404- Of course.

  406. 406
    John R. Says:

    404: At this point in the season, I’m feeling just perversely curious enough to find out what would happen.

  407. 407
    Adam M Says:


    Sadly, yes, I think they would. But frankly it would be fascinating to find out.

  408. 408
    Bolger Says:

    404: I think the entire team would have to sit shamefully in the corner like Furcal back in the day.

  409. 409
    Nick Says:

    Frankly, if we win this thing, you’d probably want as wild a celebration as possible. Might make it easier to forget this putrid month and give ourselves a chance in the playoffs. I understand the implications of it, and it doesn’t necessarily look great from a PR standpoint, but if we win it, we can’t be pondering what a travesty it is that we did so. We need to find a way to turn the page.

  410. 410
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    I wish I believed that there was anyone on this team with a healthy, decent sense of shame.

  411. 411
    ububba Says:

    In 1982, the Braves had a one-game lead on the Dodgers (in the old NL West) going into the final day. Atlanta lost in San Diego; but not long afterward, the Giants’ Joe Morgan hit a HR off Terry Forster to beat the Dodgers.

    The Braves celebrated with champagne, just as if they won.

    Of course, I’d sure love to see the Braves somehow win these last 2.

  412. 412
    Brian J. Says:

    AAR, there is none. Not the front office, not the manager, not the coaches, not the players. Hell, probably not even a batboy or usher.

  413. 413
    PaulV Says:

    I want Hudson to have a day off. Beat Phils and let the Colt 45s win.

  414. 414
    F Says:

    “St. Louis went 3-for-13 with runners in scoring position on the night, left nine men on base and hit into two double plays. They also lost two runners on the bases — three if you count Molina in the 10th.”

    Sounds like they’re doing a Braves impression.

  415. 415
    Dan Says:

    If the Braves and Cards both lose out, thus clinching the Wild Card for the Braves, do you think they would still do a rowdy champagne celebration?

    Why not? This team has won more games than the 2001 NL East champions.

  416. 416
    Marc Schneider Says:


    I gotta tip my cap to John R. :)

    I guess this is the kind of pennant races MLB envisioned when they came up with the Wild Card. Two mediocre teams fighting it out.

  417. 417
    Brian J. Says:

    416- Yeah. Real good advertisement for the idea of a second wild card, isn’t it? Then you’ll have a race of the cripples like this every year!

  418. 418
    Dan Says:

    According to an article, a second wildcard team is “all but done” and will start in either 2012 or no later than 2013. The two teams with the best records in each league that did not win their divisions will play a one-game playoff to decide who’ll be the real wildcard team and advance to the NLDS/ALDS.

    If that were the rules this year, these last two games wouldn’t even matter: it’d already be a done deal of a one-game Braves-Cardinals playoff.

    At least it’s only one game and not a best of five or something. Still don’t like giving more undeserving teams access.

  419. 419
    Brian J. Says:

    Arizona and Milwaukee both just lost. Milwaukee’s a game ahead of Arizona, but the D-Backs have the tiebreaker. If Milwaukee stays ahead of Arizona, that’s where we go, presuming we don’t complete our pratfall.

  420. 420
    F Says:

    The Angels’ season just ended.

  421. 421
    NickC Says:

    #413, I think the Cardinals are playing on Wednesday afternoon, so conceivably we could have Hudson just throw a side session if we don’t need a win.

  422. 422
    Marc Schneider Says:

    Terry Francona acknowledge that what the Red Sox have been going through has been “trying.” Fredi Gonzalez would have said, “what do you mean, trying? Everything is just fine.”

    I have more respect for Francona than this Cox/Gonzalez denial philosophy of, as Jim Bouton said, “not saying shit if you had a mouthful.” I think I could tolerate the collapse better if Fredi at least acknowledged that things are not going well.

    But I disagree with the meme going through this thread that the Braves don’t care. Why would they not care after playing six months. Obviously, they look flat, but it’s more likely that they are trying too hard and are pressing. I understand people say things here out of frustration, but I really don’t believe they don’t care. Of course, it would look better if they showed some emotion–threw their bat down, and so forth-but, for better or worse, that’s not the Braves way. But I don’t believe that they don’t care.

  423. 423
    PeteOrr Says:

    Really conflicted over whether to go to the game tonight or not. On the one hand, the atmosphere should be pretty cool barring a blowout loss (by anything more than 2 runs with this offense), but on the other hand, Derek Lowe. He actually pitched well against the pirates last time I saw him.

  424. 424
    Kevin Lee Says:

    “Faith consists in believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe.”

    So cowboy up, Derek Lowe. The Cards are heartbroken and you can lead us to a victory!

    And for Fredi:
    “Keep the faith, don’t lose your perseverance and always trust your gut extinct.”
    Paula Abdul

  425. 425
    Adam M Says:

    Wow, that new system manages simultaneously to devalue the regular season more even as it further overvalues the winning of a bad division.

    I look forward to a 96-win Red Sox team losing to an 86-win Jays team all the while an 84-win Twins team advances to the ALDS.

  426. 426
    Adam R Says:

    I think we can agree on one thing: after two seasons of the same thing, those ‘probability of making the playoffs’ websites can be thrown out the window. For me at least, nothing adds more annoyance to an obvious late-season collapse than the gleeful posting of “96% you guys! It’s in the bag!”

  427. 427
    Mac Thomason Says:


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