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07 Sep

Game Thread: Chipper’s Last Trip to Queens (by JonathanF)

The Mets are a very generous organization. For example, they gave Tom Glavine a jet ski in an elaborate ceremony for his 300th win — a pitcher who earned 242 of them (up to that point) for another team.

They gave $46 million to a man who played 166 baseball games for them, Mo Vaughn. To be fair, though, he had a WAR of -1.5, so it might have been worth it.

They have paid, thus far, $52 million to a player, Jason Bay, who in 276 games actually has a positive 1.3 WAR. (Much to my surprise.)

But they aren’t only generous to players. They have employed doctors whose diagnostic credentials are slightly less lofty than Dr. Gregory House. Ask Jose Reyes, or JJ Putz, or Billy Wagner, or Ike Davis.

And of course, there’s Bernie Madoff, whom owners helped out to the tune of $162 million, depending on your accounting. The Mets’ generosity is legendary.

And of course there are the Phillies, whose string of NL East Championships would be fairly meager without the outstanding aid the Mets gave them in 2007 and 2008.

It’s true that their generosity is not unlimited – they broke a 13 year old’s heart in 1969, but that was a long time ago.

Tonight they will honor Chipper Jones, and why not? It’s of a piece with their outstanding record of generosity outlined above. But what should they give him? A few posts have mentioned some worthy candidates, but I have one more suggestion.

In my little town about 15 miles north of Citi Field, we have an annual event in which small children paint the windows of stores on the main street in honor of Halloween. Since the painting takes place a couple of weeks or so before the event, there are often baseball/Halloween-themed windows, usually featuring the Yankees, unfortunately.

But in 1999, just after the Braves disposed of the Mets in 6 games, some 8 year old painted a Braves player stuffing a Mets player into a box which was spurting blood out the other side with the legend, in a childish scrawl: Woodchipper Jones. I’ve thought of him as Woodchipper ever since.

If the Mets had a sense of humor to go with their generosity, a woodchipper to destroy the bats which have destroyed them would, IMHO, be appropriate.

125 Responses to “Game Thread: Chipper’s Last Trip to Queens (by JonathanF)”

  1. 1
    Brian J. Says:

    (From previous thread) Simmons is in Rome, not Lynchburg. So everyone root real hard for Asheville these next two nights.

  2. 2
    Stu Says:

    Man — that is one creative eight-year-old.

  3. 3
    ububba Says:

    Awesome, Jonathan.

    I guess that kid saw “Fargo.” So if the Mets represent the Steve Buscemi character, do we get to shoot them in the face, too? (Metaphorically, of course)

    You going this weekend?

  4. 4
    Smitty Says:

    That is funny. There are some good writers on this board.

    You forgot one other thing. They took Jeffy off of our hands.

    I think they should give Chipper Mr. Mets head, as he IS the true Mr. Met.

    Will Chipper sign over his minority ownership role of the Mets while he is there?

  5. 5
    Bethany Says:

    Deus Ex Krakena.

    LOL. Brilliant, Stu.

    Great recap, JoanathanF!

  6. 6
    Bethany Says:

    Oh no, did I break the italics?!

  7. 7
    Bethany Says:


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    Dusty Says:

    Brian J.

    TC says this of Simmons:

    “The deciding Game 3 will take place Friday night in Lynchburg, with Aaron Northcraft scheduled to face Wilmington’s Leondy Perez. Andrelton Simmons will continue his rehab, starting at shortstop.”

    I assume he’ll head to NY from Lynchbug after the game.

  9. 9
    csg Says:

    Post All Star Numbers – lets see if this copy/past job will work

    Werth .354/.425/.496 Bourn .233/.333/.327
    Harper .232/.301/.428 Prado .263/.313/.408
    Zimmer .338/.405/.552 JHey .279/.351/.485
    Laroche .291/.348/.532 CJ .288/.364/.516
    Morse .288/.325/.460 FF .271/.395/.475
    Desmond .301/.363/.482 Bmac .195/.282/.323
    Espinosa .296/.346/.488 Uggla .179/.308/.327
    Suzuki .266/.319/.431 Janish .189/.269/.238

  10. 10
    csg Says:

    And dont forget this great Met investment

  11. 11
    Brian J. Says:

    Yep, you’re right. My apologies. Makes no sense, though. Why have Simmons make one start for Rome and then two for Lynchburg?

  12. 12
    Adam R Says:

    We’re the free game today on

  13. 13
    Bethany Says:

    @10 I heard on the radio awhile back in Boston that that reason the Mets gave Bonilla that ridiculous contract was because of the pyramid scheme their owner was involved with, and he was getting such an insane return that it made more sense to take the money they would have given him normally and spread it out for several years. The return from the “investment” was higher than the interest rate Bonilla got.

  14. 14
    krussell Says:

    @9 – Bourn better not get “all the money” – at least not from us.

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    JonathanF Says:

    Thanks, all. (And thanks to AAR for the edits.) ububba: I’m not going tonight, and the weather forecast for tomorrow is so lousy that I’m not waiting for Rick Camp to hit a homer at 4 AM. So if I go, it’ll be Sunday — and maybe get that pinch-hit appearance by Larry, Jr.

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    sansho1 Says:

    Good stuff. Jonathan, I really think if Chipper sits a game out it will be Saturday. I just can’t imagine him riding the pine on his last day in NY.

    I was surprised to see how bad Vaughn was with the Mets — I thought he just couldn’t stay on the field. Then I checked BBRef, and he was -2.5 WAR defensively in his one full season. And again I find myself wondering about these defensive stats — is it even possible to attribute two and a half games to the difference between Mo Vaughn’s glove and that of, say, Freddie Freeman (who I think we think of as an average fielding 1B)? I maintain that there’s something in the dynamics of team defense that is being mistranslated in the attempt to individualize it.

  17. 17
    sansho1 Says:

    Just got a bit of a jolt. From Bill James’ “Ask Bill” feature this morning:

    I just saw that Bob Creamer died last month. Any thoughts?
    Asked by: macthomason
    Answered: 9/7/2012

    Oh, I missed that; I’m very sorry to hear. He was a marvellous writer, obviously, and a great gentleman. I met him in ’82, had lunch with him in New York, and met him about six or eight times after that. He was one of those people who didn’t have a mean bone in his body. I’m sorry to hear that he has gone on.

  18. 18
    Carlos Collazo Says:

    Hahaha this is classic. That would be awesome but I doubt the Mets are that witty. I’m expecting something good though.

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    Tom Says:

    who I think we think of as an average fielding 1B

    I don’t know about “we”, but “I” think of Freeman as an elite fielding 1B who should win some GG in his career, while some fancy stats think of him as a lousy fielding 1B with no range.

  20. 20
    sansho1 Says:

    I don’t think he’s nimble enough to be elite. I think he’s among the best big, slow guys who play the position, but it matters that he’s a big slow guy.

  21. 21
    Parish Says:

    11- Brian – It was convenient to start Simmons just North of Atlanta, but Rome had last night off. Apparently Low-A does the same goofy scheduling for the playoffs that MLB does. Prime time TV, you know.

    Anyway, they moved him to Lynchburg to get some more PAs before rejoining the big club Saturday.

  22. 22
    justhank Says:

    Lost amidst this torrent of brilliance was Rusty’s “Tommy John Doe” surgery (@30 previous thread).


  23. 23
    ububba Says:

    If you head to Flushing on Sunday (if the weather allows, of course), hit me up. Pretty sure I’ll be there.

  24. 24
    Rusty S. Says:

    @22, Thanks justhank. Whenever I have a random thought, I run straight to Braves Journal first.

    It’s hard not to think about Mac doing this kind of stuff day in and day out. It’s great to see so many people stepping up to keep it going.

  25. 25
    Kevin Lee Says:

    Just a note for music fans to remember Joe South and the “Games People Play” today.

  26. 26
    csg Says:

    •That’s not good. “@iDrumZ: @ajcbraves So Hudson has a higher BA than Janish, Uggla, and McCann right now.”

  27. 27
    ububba Says:

    You know, that guy played on a lotta great records & wrote a lotta hits for other people, too.

    Here’s King Curtis (playing with a few folks you might’ve heard of) doing his instrumental throw-down version:

  28. 28
    Kevin Lee Says:

    @27 Wow! Thanks!
    Heading for a Cincinnati game tonight, may get rain.
    Will have a full scouting report on Votto later.

  29. 29
    Dusty Says:

    Did not realize this from Richard Justice:

    “Lowest NL ERAs since All-Star Break, minimum 10 starts: 1. Mike Minor 2.56. 2. Lucas Harrell 2.59. 3. Clayton Kershaw 2.62.”

  30. 30
    PaulV Says:

    Are innings or pitch count more important after Tommy John Doe surgery? Medlin much more efficient than Strasberg who has 100 pitches or so in 6 innimgs.

  31. 31
    csg Says:

    #30 – No one really knows.

  32. 32
    Marc Schneider Says:

    In Strasburg’s case, some argue that his “inverted W” when he pitches puts additional stress on his elbow and shoulder. Also, he throws harder than Medlen although I don’t know if that makes any difference. So the Nats may feel more need to be more conservative with Strasburg than the Braves do with Medlin. But, let’s face it, the Nats have a lot more invested in Strasburg-both financially and emotionally-than the Braves do with Medlen. Not saying the Braves are just willing to use Medlen up but he isn’t a symbol of the franchise the way Strasburg is.

    But, frankly, if the Braves thought at the beginning of the year that Medlen should only pitch X innings, they should not change that just because they are in a pennant race. IMO, they have some obligation to protect Medlen’s career even if they don’t think he will be a dominant pitcher.

  33. 33
    Coop Says:

    The player should have some say in the decision. How often do you hear retired players lament never having won a ring? Players often say it’s the team success, not individual honors they play for.

    Look at the Braves as an example. Would Glavine or Maddux give up the World Series win for another Cy Young?

    Chipper won the World Series his first year, but so far he nor any other Brave has won another. No Cub since forever played in, let alone won a World Series. There’s no guarantee the Braves or the Nats won’t fall off the edge of the baseball world after this year and fare the same as the Cubs.

    It’s Strasburg’s career. I think he should have some say even considering the bucks the Nats have invested. I’m sure there are actuarial tables somewhere to point out the foolishness of my opinion, but I’m strongly on the carpe diem side.

  34. 34
    Adam R Says:

    Finally succumbing and reading a little about the Strasburg thing, I got the sense that the Nats are being coerced, to some degree, by Scott Boras to stick to the innings limit.

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    Coop Says:


  36. 36
    Brian J. Says:

    They’ve got us right where they want us.

  37. 37
    John R. Says:

    Come on, Larry.

  38. 38
    John R. Says:

    D’oh! Get ’em next time, Chipper!

  39. 39
    Putter Says:

    That wasn’t good

  40. 40
    Dan Says:

    This team is just comical.

  41. 41
    Coop Says:


  42. 42
    Putter Says:

    Right now guys aren’t picking up their teammates either, thus the constant doughnut after getting the bases loaded with less than 2 outs

  43. 43
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    It’s Strasburg’s career. I think he should have some say even considering the bucks the Nats have invested. I’m sure there are actuarial tables somewhere to point out the foolishness of my opinion, but I’m strongly on the carpe diem side.

    Publicly, he supports the decision. Practically, there is virtually no way that they could pull this off effectively without getting buy-in from Strasburg — and, of course, Boras.

  44. 44
    Coop Says:

    Yeah, based on what Adam posted, I’m willing to concede that what Boras wants probably carries a lot of weight with both his client and the Nats. Still …

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    Bethany Says:


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    Brian J. Says:


  47. 47
    PaulV Says:

    Strasburg is out after 3 with 5 runs and 67 pitches tonight. 6 hits and 3 walks.

  48. 48
    Coop Says:

    Nice, Jason.

  49. 49
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    We’re so much better at hitting when the bases aren’t loaded.

  50. 50
    Dix Says:

    Man that ball hung for him

  51. 51
    Tomas Says:

    Could do with a little less walks, Paul, but so far so good.

  52. 52
    Coop Says:

    Maholm’s walking a fine line tonight. It would be nice to score more than one run a game to give our pitchers some leeway.

  53. 53
    Brian J. Says:

    52- Yeah, and it’d be nice if I grew wings and flew, but that ain’t gonna happen either.

  54. 54
    DG Says:

    Another sign of their generosity is Bobby Bonilla’s contract. Google that if you want a good lesson in how to do retirement planning. Bonilla now teaches financial planning to current MLB players.

  55. 55
    Coop Says:


  56. 56
    Dan Says:

    No team, going back to 1918, has ever won three straight 1-0 games.

  57. 57
    PaulV Says:

    @54 Mets were getting 15%/year from Madoff, it was no brainer.

  58. 58
    Bethany Says:

    Chipper is choking.

  59. 59
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Oh, dear, Chipper.

  60. 60
    Brian J. Says:

    The idea was for THEM to make the errors. At least Heyward backed up the play quickly to keep the runner at second.

  61. 61
    Dan Says:

    Chipper, Mets fans aren’t going to love you because you gifted them a couple of wins as a final impression.

  62. 62
    Brian J. Says:

    I still loathe Chad Durbin. Just in case you were wondering.

  63. 63
    Coop Says:

    Fredi’s pulling every string he can.

  64. 64
    Dan Says:

    Fredi’s pulling every string he can.

  65. 65
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    David, that would be a bad time for a passed ball.

  66. 66
    Coop Says:

    We can’t hit lately, but we do get lucky.

  67. 67
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:


  68. 68
    Coop Says:

    Wonderful, Dan. I’d forgotten that flowchart.

  69. 69
    Coop Says:

    Another Dan does good.

  70. 70
    Bethany Says:

    There’s the error!

  71. 71
    Brian J. Says:

    Uggla’s stupidity fails to top the Mets’ ineptitude.

  72. 72
    Bethany Says:


  73. 73
    Brian J. Says:

    And there’s another run! We’re apparently allowed two a game now.

  74. 74
    JonathanF Says:

    @56: And the record is safe.

  75. 75
    Dix Says:

    thanks for the free run

  76. 76
    John R. Says:

    Get ’em on, get ’em over by getting picked off yet inducing an error, get ’em in with a pop-up to right.

  77. 77
    Smitty Says:

    Get’em on, Get’em over, Get’em to make an error.

  78. 78
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Wait, the score just changed. It was 1-0 a moment ago. I’m not sure what it is now. There’s something weird in the upper left corner of my screen… it looks like a “2.” But that obviously can’t be right.

  79. 79
    John R. Says:

    Okay, now that the Braves know they’re not playing for a record, maybe they’ll loosen up and score some runs.

  80. 80
    ugalaw06 Says:

    What a pathetic throw by Hairston.

  81. 81
    Coop Says:

    Good job, Jonny.

  82. 82
    Brian J. Says:

    Lynchburg won 2-1 tonight, and Simmons homered for their first run. Now let’s get him up to New York tomorrow.

  83. 83
    Tomas Says:

    79 — They must have agreed on playing a one game doubleheader, there’s no other reasonable explanation I can think of.

  84. 84
    JonathanF Says:

    Once you have two runs, of course, there’s no more need for offense: cue Janish.

  85. 85
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Janish is someone who plays shortstop for a living, rather than a supersub who had barely played it professionally before this year. That feels like a good thing to do in the late innings.

  86. 86
    Coop Says:


  87. 87
    JonathanF Says:

    I don’t disagree, AAR, but does he come in to a 1-0 game before the ninth?

  88. 88
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Probably. I just don’t really feel comfortable with Prado playing all 9 innings at short in a game that close.

  89. 89
    Dan Says:

    @ajcbraves So Hudson has a higher BA than Janish, Uggla, and McCann right now.

    Simmons’ return will take care of one-third of the Axis of Suck.

  90. 90
    John R. Says:

    Oh great, it’s one of those “lousy catchers can do some damage to us in the late innings” moments.

  91. 91
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Look, Simmons was never supposed to be an offensive force. There’s a really, really low probability that he continues to flirt with .300 after he comes back.

  92. 92
    Brian J. Says:

    91- Still more likely that he hits than Janish, who doesn’t even flirt with .200.

    Fine work by O’Flaherty. Time for the Desu ex Kimbrelia.

  93. 93
    John R. Says:

    Sweet! Nice job, EOF.

  94. 94
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Damn, that was a nice changeup. O’Failurety is such a luxury.

  95. 95
    Tomas Says:

    I’m pretty confident though that he’ll hit for more than Jason Bay.

  96. 96
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    You’re definitely right about that, Brian.

  97. 97
    Coop Says:

    @ 91: But he has hit for average in the minors. He should provide as much offense as Alex G did last year or Janish does now, and it will shore up the offense wherever Prado plays. (Glass half full syndrome)

  98. 98
    Dan Says:

    Look, Simmons was never supposed to be an offensive force. There’s a really, really low probability that he continues to flirt with .300 after he comes back.

    That may be true, but Simmons is going to be better than .507 OPS, 39 OPS+ Janish.

  99. 99
    John R. Says:


  100. 100
    Brian J. Says:

    Maybe Uggla really is figuring out this hitting thing.

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    Tomas Says:


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    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    The pessimist’s take: he’s played exactly 44 games above High-A, and his minor league ISO is under .100: in other words, he’s a guy who’s managed to hit a fair number of singles in the low minors, but that isn’t exactly a guarantee of major league success.


  103. 103
    Coop Says:

    Lordy, Lordy! A double and a homer in the same game! What hath Dan wrought!

  104. 104
    Dix Says:

    sometimes the fly balls go far enough. usually not though…

  105. 105
    John R. Says:

    100: That fly Uggla hit earlier was tagged to deep left center.

    Okay, Craig, seal the deal for VentO’Brel.

  106. 106
    John R. Says:

    105: I meant to say that “fly out” he hit earlier…in addition to the double and the homer.

  107. 107
    PaulV Says:

    It looks like Janish will not even get to bat.

  108. 108
    Coop Says:

    No drama, please, Craig.

  109. 109
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    This ump rang up Overbay on a pitch that was further out than one or two of those balls to Fred Lewis.

  110. 110
    Brian J. Says:

    Sometimes, life isn’t fair. Kimbrel in the 9th inning is one of those times. I love it.

  111. 111
    Stu Says:

    Deus Ex Krakena.

    (And, having watched the play while not on Braves Journal, scanning this thread and seeing 80 had me laughing aloud.)

  112. 112
    Tomas Says:

    Kimbrel things were done.

  113. 113
    Dix Says:

    zero runs allowed through November, let’s do it.

  114. 114
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Honestly, is there anything better than beating the Mets? I’m drawing a blank.

  115. 115
    John R. Says:

    That’s a win, y’all!

  116. 116
    fm Says:


    Beating the Phillies and eliminating them from the playoff race.

  117. 117
    Bethany Says:

    @114 Something about Keystone light and Penn State football.

  118. 118
    Rusty S. Says:

    Number of runs given = zero.

  119. 119
    Dix Says:

    Bethany, taking us back to my favorite thread of all time…

  120. 120
    Stu Says:

    PSU is dominate.

  121. 121
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Bless you, Bethany.

  122. 122
    Bethany Says:

    Ah, beautiful job Alex ^_^

  123. 123
    Stu Says:

    Man, that was a looong time ago. Dix was the resident perv? When did sdp show up?

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    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:


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    Dix Says:

    I was at least resident. Baseball is slowly losing its grip on me. I even cut back from three softball leagues to two this year, and plan to whittle that down to one just as soon as one of my teams fails to defend its title (5 years running so far).

    Tonight I watched the Braves on TV for the first time since May, second time overall this season AND I did not participate in any fantasy baseball league. Somehow, none of this is the result of an existential crisis as far as I can tell.

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