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17 Jan

Murphy List of the Day 2

NATIONAL LEAGUE
1985

RUNS CREATED RC
1 Dale Murphy 129
2 Tim Raines 126
3 Willie McGee 124
4 Pedro Guerrero 120
5 Ryne Sandberg 117
T6 Mike Schmidt 111
T6 Dave Parker 111
8 Tom Herr 107
T9 Keith Hernandez 99
T9 Keith Moreland 99

I was looking at the National League MVP voting in 1985 as part of the piece I plan to write on Murphy and Parker, and noticed that Murphy was actually a better hitter (at least in the raw stats) that year, though Parker finished second and Murph seventh. Obviously there were good reasons for this (the Braves lost 96 games while the Reds won 89), but it was interesting.

That was one of those weird years where nobody really jumps out as having an MVP season. The actual best player in the league was likely Doc Gooden (24-4, 1.53, 268 K). The best hitter was Pedro Guerrero, but he missed 25 games and was a brutal defensive player. Eventually, they gave it to McGee, who hit .353 but with little secondary offense. I probably would have voted Raines-Gooden-Murphy but I was only 14 and didn’t get a vote.

18 Responses to “Murphy List of the Day 2”

  1. 1
    Smitty Says:

    Your vote at 14 would have made as much sence as most sports writters

  2. 2
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Forgot to mention…

    1. These were the only MVP votes McGee ever got.
    2. Someone voted for Glenn Wilson (.275 .311 .424 for a fifth-place team.)
    3. Someone else voted for Mariano Duncan (.244 .293 .340.)

  3. 3
    Another Alex R. Says:

    Interesting question: will Tim Raines make the Hall of Fame? I would be surprised if he did, considering how hard it’s been for outfielders from the 1980s. He’s a hell of a ballplayer.

  4. 4
    Another Alex R. Says:

    *I meant to say–”But still, he’s a hell of a ballplayer.”

  5. 5
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Raines should, but leadoff hitters haven’t done well in the voting.

  6. 6
    JoeyT Says:

    From the AP:

    Pitcher Jorge Sosa is the only Atlanta player still in arbitration. He was one of the team’s most surprising players last season, claiming a spot in the rotation and going 13-3 with a 2.55 ERA.

    Sosa has asked for $2.6 million and been offered $1.8 million.

  7. 7
    Another Alex R. Says:

    Who are other leadoff hitters who have been shafted by the Hall?

  8. 8
    JoeyT Says:

    Pete Rose

  9. 9
    kc Says:

    Exactly Joey, Sosa will be making about the same as HoRo will. That’s ridiculous.

  10. 10
    kc Says:

    Gotta to love ARod, first he was going to represent PR, then withdrawn from WBC all together, then PR added him to their roster, and he decides to play for the US. Think he is so important? I can’t care less about ARod.

  11. 11
    sansho1 Says:

    It was actually the Dominican Republic he was considering playing for, which makes about as much sense as me playing for Ireland. If, as you point out, I cared.

  12. 12
    Kevin Lee Says:

    Mac;
    Thread hijack alert!
    You said yesterday that Langerhans didn’t have as much upside as Kelly Johnson. Will you please explain that, maybe in your KJ analysis?
    I’m wary of the term “upside.” In comparing two players, does it mean we’ve seen what player A has in him, where we expect to see more from player B in the long run?
    I’d advise KJ to go to the bank to try to cash in that upside! I don’t think he performed to anybody’s expectations last year.
    As for Langerhans; why wouldn’t his experience last year lead to improved performance this year?
    Looks like I’m about to learn something!

  13. 13
    bamadan Says:

    Mac, which version of RC are you using? The one listed at baseball-reference has the top five different than yours:

    Murph 129
    Parker 127
    McGee 119
    Guerrero 118
    Sandberg 112

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL_1985.shtml

    That site also has OPS+ to give park effects and out creating a context:

    Guerrero 181
    Raines 153
    Murphy 151
    Clark 150
    Schmidt 149

  14. 14
    bamadan Says:

    Oh yeah, both Wilson and Duncan received a single 10th place vote in ’85. Mac’s comment above seems to imply they got a 1st place pick.

  15. 15
    bamadan Says:

    The Wilson and Duncan votes are repeated every year. In 2005, two voters put Jose Reyes (273 / 303 / 386) and Scott Eyre (68 IP, 2-2 won loss record and zero saves) on their ballots at 10th.

  16. 16
    Mac Thomason Says:

    I certainly didn’t mean to imply that… The version is whatever the Sabermetric Encyclopedia uses.

    Duncan probably wasn’t one of the ten most valuable Dodgers.

  17. 17
    Mac Thomason Says:

    The Langerhans/Johnson thing, meanwhile, is easy. Johnson is younger, he had better minor league stats, and he showed flashes of being a very good hitter (in between awful slumps). I don’t know that he’ll actually be better than Langerhans.

  18. 18
    ububba Says:

    From what I saw last year, I’m a big fan of Langerhans’ hustle. I know Bobby likes that, too.

    Unfortunately, it made him fall in love with guys like Michael Tucker, but that’s another story.

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