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15 Apr

Subtropical swamp game thread: Braves at Marlins, April 15

What are the odds we get through this series without a rain delay? Without a postponement?

I thought of dedicating the video above to Mike Hampton, but it seemed cruel.

130 Responses to “Subtropical swamp game thread: Braves at Marlins, April 15”

  1. 1
    Smitty Says:

    I say the odds are 4:1 in favor of a rain delay

  2. 2
    Dan Says:

    Why exactly did the Braves trade Yates to keep Resop? Spring training performance?

  3. 3
    Josh W. Says:

    Can we expect to be Rick Roll’d when the music video for R comes up?

  4. 4
    JC Says:

    Moylan to the DL . It doesn’t look good.

    Moylan felt some discomfort in his elbow while throwing a pitch in the ninth inning of Friday night’s win over the Nationals. The Australian right-hander went to Atlanta for an MRI exam on Monday. Results haven’t been released.

    Link

  5. 5
    Mac Thomason Says:

    At this rate, Resop’s going to be the closer by mid-May.

  6. 6
    Stu Says:

    Man, we’ve been unlucky, injury-wise, and it’s only mid-April.

    Losing Moylan is a big deal.

  7. 7
    Smitty Says:

    I smell a Chipper foot injury coming on.

  8. 8
    Phillip Says:

    Jeez…it just keeps getting better & better.

  9. 9
    Smitty Says:

    Good thing we have Mike Hampton on our training staff.

  10. 10
    braves14 Says:

    Damn. Moylan is a pretty big loss.

  11. 11
    Dan Says:

    No Soriano and no Moylan. This looks like the worst bullpen in the NL right now.

  12. 12
    braves14 Says:

    2007? More like 2006 when we had relievers w/o control of their limbs in the bullpen.

    Manny freaking Acosta is our closer.

  13. 13
    braves14 Says:

    Can we bring Bob Wickman back?

  14. 14
    Frank Says:

    what’s worse than craptastic? losing moylan and soriano

  15. 15
    braves14 Says:

    Who’s going to pitch the set-up innings? Ohman and Boyer? At least Boyer throws hard and strikes people out.

  16. 16
    ryan c Says:

    a trade for a reliever looks like a good idea. maybe we recall some power off the bench and trade pena soon and keep carlyle where he belongs (not in the majors).

  17. 17
    Perimeter Perez Says:

    Maybe we and Tigers fans should lobby MLB for an ’08 season mulligan.

  18. 18
    ububba Says:

    This is some tough stuff so far. Our 2 best relievers and # 3 starter, yikes.

    And, I’m no Chicken Little, but I’d be less than truthful if I didn’t admit to being constantly worried about Smoltz.

    But…just gotta suck it up and score some runs.

    Different Trouble in Metland:
    After the 9-7 loss to Milwaukee, Omar Minaya & Willie Randolph had an hour-long, closed-door meeting.

  19. 19
    Mac Thomason Says:

    We’re doomed! DOOOOOOOMED!!!!!! Everyone, hide in the cellar!

    Look, we don’t know yet Moylan’s status going forward. (Though mysterious elbow pain is obviously not good.) Glavine is indicating that he’ll be fine. Nobody’s run and hid from the division yet. Teixeira will wake up, and if Diaz doesn’t wake up he’ll be put to bed and replaced by B-Jones. Chipper’s gotten through his first injury with no missing PA that mattered. It’s a long season. Take a few deep breaths.

    And after all, at least they’re not the Falcons.

  20. 20
    Joshua Says:

    I agree with Mac. We’re DOOMED!!!

    Just kidding…

  21. 21
    Stu Says:

    Devil’s Advocacy:

    Glavine is indicating that he’ll be fine.

    Glavine is 42 years old. How fine is his fine?

    Nobody’s run and hid from the division yet.

    Nobody but us has gotten all these games against the Nats and Pirates, either.

    Teixeira will wake up…

    Andruw was gonna wake up last season, too.

    …and if Diaz doesn’t wake up he’ll be put to bed and replaced by B-Jones.

    Who says Jones will be any good?

    Chipper’s gotten through his first injury with no missing PA that mattered. It’s a long season.

    It’s April 15 and Chipper’s already had his first injury. It’s a long season.

    * * *

    I’m not nearly as negative as the above would indicate, but I think there are legitimate reasons for concern (perhaps the biggest being the back-of-the-mind fear noted by ububba) even this early.

  22. 22
    Buster Says:

    Moylan on the DL Hurts

  23. 23
    Mac Thomason Says:

    I’d be stunned if Jones isn’t at least league-average. He’s hit in the high minors and there’s no hole in his game that I can see. He won’t be a star, but he should be a good player, Garret Anderson without the press.

    Here’s the thing about Smoltz… any pitcher can get hurt at any time. Smoltz isn’t really that much more likely to get disasterously hurt than Brandon Webb. Minor aches are another matter, and we need to be careful, but the thing is that there’s little evidence of him slowing down.

    Hey, here are some positives:

    Hudson looks great.
    Escobar looks even better than great.
    Chipper is doing what he did last year.
    McCann is doing what he did two years ago.
    Kotsay has been a lot better than I thought.

  24. 24
    braves14 Says:

    Jones reminds me of a young left-handed Brian Jordan.

  25. 25
    Stu Says:

    Agree with all the positives.

    Re: Jones, I agree about his projection, but I can’t rule out the distinct possibility of an adjustment period (perhaps all of 2008) that would be no better than what Diaz gives us.

    Also, I strongly disagree with the notion that Smoltz is no more likely to suffer a major injury than Brandon Webb.

  26. 26
    Another Alex R. Says:

    I’m going to try to break the land-speed record for not thinking about Moylan on the DL…

    Hey, here’s something nice: Bill James breaking down the all-Alabama team against the all-Oklahoma team. (Scroll about halfway down.)

    Bill’s conclusion: “You might have me. Alabama’s team is pretty good.”

  27. 27
    Parish Says:

    This year is officially a disaster.

    I say we go to a three man rotation and count on Smoltz, Hudson, and Jurrjens to go 9 each time out.

  28. 28
    Tom Says:

    Mac,

    here’s something negative: 5-7 !

  29. 29
    ububba Says:

    Too bad our rotation doesn’t include 300 IP men like Mordecai “Three Finger” Brown, Christy Mathewson or Jim Palmer.

  30. 30
    Dan Says:

    Imagine how bad it’d be now if the Braves dumped Hudson like so many here wanted in September 2006 and the 2006-2007 offseason.

    But I think Mac is right. Glavine seems to be okay. No one trusted Hampton. It’s no where but up for Teixeira and Diaz. And eventually one of Soriano, Gonzalez or Moylan will be back. Maybe all three if things really go right. The Mets and Phillies are both under .500 too.

    Let’s not drink the cyanide just yet.

  31. 31
    Parish Says:

    On the DL:

    Phillies –
    Mike Zagurski
    Francisco Rosario
    Scott Mathieson

    Braves –
    Mike Hampton
    Mike Gonzalez
    Rafael Soriano
    Peter Moylan
    Omar Infante
    Anthony Lerew

    Mets –
    Pedro Martinez
    Orlando Hernandez
    Moises Alou
    Ramon Castro
    Ambiorix Burgos
    Duaner Sanchez
    Jason Vargas
    Matt Wise

    Looks like the Mets are winning the injury race. It’s the recent concern over Smoltz and Glavine that has me freaked out. Otherwise, we truly are better equipped to handle injury.

    Have the Phillies even had an issue. Lidge, right?

  32. 32
    avery Says:

    Shane Victorino is on the DL for the Phillies.

  33. 33
    mraver Says:

    Moylan appeared in 6 of our first 7 games; this isn’t exactly a shocker.

    Still, as people have said, this (combined with Soriano’s thing) is actually a rather big blow to the pen.

    We may well see Kris Medlen (7.1 IP, 6H 8K 0BB for Mississippi) by mid-season. If nothing else, it’ll make sure we maintain our quota of side-armers. :-D

  34. 34
    Mac Thomason Says:

    What Posnanski said:

    Over time, I have come to despise radar guns. I don’t mean that I disapprove of them or feel they’re useless or wish that teams would stop putting so much faith in their readings. I mean I DESPISE them, in the same way that I despise Duke basketball. I root against radar guns. I believe radar guns are way overrated. I wish radar guns would not get all the calls.

    Only include Chris Resop.

  35. 35
    barrycuda Says:

    the DUMP DIAZ in ’08 bandwagon is rolling !!!! what happened to the love? hes still doing better than our much-vaunted cleanup hitter that everyone was ready to mortage the farm for….. this is getting to be like the daily injury reports in football. these guys need to spend less time in the weight room and more time in the bar….. get rid of the high protein fakeshakes and mix in some greasy cheeseburgers and bar-b-q. works for me……….just had my first physical exam in 24 yrs.(the wife insisted) and passed with flying colors………….now if i could only not cringe with every pith that john smoltz throws…………………….

  36. 36
    Godot Says:

    Someone tell me, why Carlyle and not Stockman or Schreiber?

  37. 37
    braves14 Says:

    I’m not ready to give up on Diaz yet, barrycuda.

    Schreiber’s struggling so far, but I agree about Phil Stockman. Free Phil Stockman!

  38. 38
    csg Says:

    Diaz will turn it around against FLA, count it

  39. 39
    Brandon Says:

    New nickname for Chad Poranto and Bob Wickman from the Florida broadcasters – “The Beef Brothers”

  40. 40
    urlhix Says:

    Chipper walks the line!

  41. 41
    braves14 Says:

    I wouldn’t count Kotsay as a positive. He’s hitting .250/.313/.409

  42. 42
    braves14 Says:

    Which is the kind of line that will be a drag on the lineup but won’t get him taken out.

  43. 43
    csg Says:

    check out the list of relievers that we’ve lost toFA, released, traded, or waived since last season

    Paronto
    Villareal
    McBride
    Ledezma
    Ascanio
    Startup
    Yates
    Wickman
    Colyer
    Dotel
    Mahay
    Devine

    who am I missing

  44. 44
    braves14 Says:

    Davies as a starter.

  45. 45
    csg Says:

    yeah, I was just looking at the relievers. No wonder we are now getting short handed

  46. 46
    braves14 Says:

    Jurrjens with just 16 pitches through 2.

  47. 47
    braves14 Says:

    Will our offense be able to wake up against Scott F. Olsen? Not so far.

  48. 48
    Mark Graybill Says:

    I smell another one-run loss . . .

  49. 49
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    What good does you to score 10+ runs every 5 games when in the other 4 you score 2.

    This is just not a good baseball team. Not very well constructed and is “thrifty” to me. Just reeks of thrift.

  50. 50
    Dan Says:

    New nickname for Chad Poranto and Bob Wickman from the Florida broadcasters – “The Beef Brothers”

    It’s been done. On this site no less in July 2006. See #69:

    http://www.bravesjournal.us/?p=2510

  51. 51
    Alex R. Says:

    Wasted 2 on, nobody out, heart of the order situation against the frakking Marlins. How annoying.

  52. 52
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    Pathetic. Sorry guys it just is. I love the Braves but this is just sorry.

  53. 53
    landogarner Says:

    Wtf was that? Pushing him to the ground? JJ better plunk that punk in the head his next at bat.

  54. 54
    Parish Says:

    I don’t think Tex should keep counting on Francoeur to bail him out.

    That was a very disappointing inning.

  55. 55
    Dan Says:

    This team is depressing.

  56. 56
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    Put me down for 80-82.

  57. 57
    landogarner Says:

    HIT HIM, DON’T WALK HIM. Lame.

  58. 58
    Clark Says:

    …and Resop is up in the bullpen. FAIL.

  59. 59
    Parish Says:

    Watching this team, I just don’t see how we can come back from a two or three-run deficit right now.

  60. 60
    landogarner Says:

    omg, and resop is up in the pen. I guess Bobby is throwing in the towel early this game.

  61. 61
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    We’re seeing what happens when you combine an aging pitching staff with thrift and a youth movement.

    It equals, not good.

  62. 62
    Parish Says:

    Can’t strike him out.

    Cantu.

  63. 63
    braves14 Says:

    Pretty solid outing by Jurrjens.

    Now hopefully he won’t get hung with a loss.

  64. 64
    landogarner Says:

    Better than solid.

  65. 65
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    If he hadn’t gotten squeezed on so many knee high strikes called balls by this moronic ump, he’d have fared even better.

    I’m pretty impressed with Jurrjens and think he has #2 SP ability.

  66. 66
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    I have faith in this team to get extra-base hits and RBIs with three-, four- or five-run leads. I don’t have much faith in its collective ability to get those same hits when it’s a one- or two-run game. The inconsistency is maddening and depressing, since it’s a rerun of ’06 and ’07.

  67. 67
    landogarner Says:

    Seriously, same shit as last year. We don’t make any adjustments and I blame Pendleton. It’s his job to help them do that.

  68. 68
    Parish Says:

    Impressive pinch hit showing.

    Bring in Resop.

  69. 69
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Jurrjens could have done better there. At least he got on base twice at Colorado.

  70. 70
    braves14 Says:

    Maybe Resop will pitch his way off the team tonight.

  71. 71
    Hate King Says:

    Well the Marlins knew they could take Olsen out once they saw Resop come in to the game.

  72. 72
    Parish Says:

    Stockman in Richmond today:

    3.1 IP, 0 H, 0 BB, 4 Ks.

  73. 73
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    One out for Poser. Impressive.

  74. 74
    Phillip Says:

    I thought the Braves were the only team that couldn’t bunt.

  75. 75
    Parish Says:

    We survived an inning in which Resop pitched. I’ll take it.

    Why not make that big comeback tonight – the one that turns the whole season around.

  76. 76
    kc Says:

    My goodness, just checkout the score…where is the offense AGAIN?!?!?!?!

  77. 77
    Robert Says:

    Sorry, been in meetings all day. Brought three runs with me. Any takers?

  78. 78
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Not our night.

  79. 79
    braves14 Says:

    We suck

  80. 80
    Robert Says:

    The meeting was more enjoyable than this.

  81. 81
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    Re: #77

    Do you mean for the series or tonight? We may not see three in the series.

  82. 82
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Why can’t we find middle relievers like that?

  83. 83
    Robert Says:

    Their for tonight! C’mon, it’s Kevin Gregg, have some faith.

  84. 84
    kc Says:

    Having faith in this offense? That’s pretty hard right now…

  85. 85
    Frank Says:

    prediction–Frency pads stats with HR in 9th–braves get another ONE RUN LOSS

  86. 86
    Robert Says:

    Coming around to the ‘it’s not our night’ theory…

    Most pathetic double I’ve seen in a while.

  87. 87
    Brian J. Says:

    So we allow x runs in this inning and score x+1 in the top of the 9th, right?

  88. 88
    kc Says:

    oh, may as well blow it open before the offense teases us again by scoring one run in the ninth.

  89. 89
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    Just think, take away Chipper’s flares and tonight was REALLY great…

  90. 90
    Frank Says:

    87–you nailed it–math major eh?

  91. 91
    Joshua Says:

    this is depressing

  92. 92
    avery Says:

    What are the odds Ohman walks in a run here?

  93. 93
    Joshua Says:

    will the REAL Tex please stand up, please stand up, please stand up…

  94. 94
    Robert Says:

    So Bobby prefers Ohman vs Helms to Carlyle vs Gonzalez? I sure don’t.

  95. 95
    Maverick Says:

    OHHMAN!!!

  96. 96
    avery Says:

    thats 2 thus far

  97. 97
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Doing his best Bennett impression.

  98. 98
    Phillip Says:

    Anybody seen that old Twilight Zone episode called “The Mighty Casey”? It’s about a robot pitcher that strikes everyone out until MLB says he isn’t eligible because he isn’t a “man”. So the scientist puts a human heart into him; & Casey gets hammered everytime he pitches because he can’t bring himself to hurt the hitters’ feelings by striking them out.

  99. 99
    Hate King Says:

    Oh, man!

  100. 100
    Maverick Says:

    Avery what are the odds now?

  101. 101
    avery Says:

    well who coulda seen that coming…

  102. 102
    Robert Says:

    How unsurprising

  103. 103
    Frank Says:

    revised scenario: Tex reaches, Frenchy hits HR to pad stats, Braves lose by one

  104. 104
    Hate King Says:

    Double farts!

  105. 105
    urlhix Says:

    You have got to be freaking kidding me.

  106. 106
    Jeremy Says:

    This is brutal.

  107. 107
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    There ought to be a way to credit Ohman with the loss. He deserves it far more than Jurrjens.

  108. 108
    Maverick Says:

    did he just do that again

  109. 109
    avery Says:

    at least he’s consistant – he’s been doing this for years

  110. 110
    Alex R. Says:

    This is downright embarrassing. This team will be lucky to win 70 games. Sheesh.

  111. 111
    Robert Says:

    Walking a guy from 0-2 is a special kind of suck.

  112. 112
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    A part of me wants him to groove one over this plate, put us down 8-0 and get this torture over with.

  113. 113
    kc Says:

    That will send him to the doghouse very soon…Mac, are we doing the doghouse thing again this year?

  114. 114
    braves14 Says:

    Take one for the team Ohman.

  115. 115
    Frank Says:

    Mac–time for a new poll–Resop or Ohman

    Ascanio trade looks great right about now eh?

  116. 116
    urlhix Says:

    Scary.

    And even scarier, that was the only pitch he threw all inning that would have hit the mitt.

  117. 117
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    Wow, I thought I got my wish there.

  118. 118
    avery Says:

    that was a hilarious inning

  119. 119
    kc Says:

    Ascanio is not doing much either…

  120. 120
    braves14 Says:

    Ohman’s ERA actually went down this outing.

  121. 121
    Robert Says:

    I was warming up the “At least it looked like a strike” line from Major League but it didn’t get out.

  122. 122
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    kc,

    They’re all in the doghouse. This team is playing like sh&t and per usual, showing no heart, emotion or anything other than clocking in, and clocking out.

  123. 123
    kc Says:

    Yeah Chief, we do need a pretty big doghouse right now.

  124. 124
    kc Says:

    Wow, I just found out Moylan has been put onto the DL. That’s great!!! This team has no hope until we get two of Sori, Moylan, and Gonzo back…

  125. 125
    Frank Says:

    heck they ought to give the hannah montana of hitting a point just for working the count full

  126. 126
    Our New Insect Overlords Says:

    I find myself hoping this team can stay somewhere in the vicinity of .500 — within five games or so — until the bullpen can be refortified. Not that it wouldn’t have helped tonight, with our batters taking such a serene approach at the plate.

  127. 127
    Fulton County Bombers Says:

    ..and the bandwagon is pretty empty. Lots of room if you want to hop in!

  128. 128
    Chief Nocahoma Says:

    Who would want to get on this team’s bandwagon FCB, they stink of rotting meat?

    Without some trades, there just isn’t anything viable here.

  129. 129
    joesteve Says:

    and the Phillies come from behind with 4 in the bottom of the 9th — and the Mets are winning. ugh.

  130. 130
    kc Says:

    Excellent, the team doesn’t even bother to fight back.

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