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27 Jun

Braves 4, Jays 0

ESPN – Braves vs. Blue Jays – Box Score – June 27, 2008

Easy. It’s important to note, as DOB did in his blog entry today, that the Braves are getting excellent pitching, especially starting pitching. You can’t even say that they’re not working deep into games. Jair Jurrjens pitched eighth innings, and was never in serious trouble; the Jays never had the tying run bat.

Mark Teixeira was the hitting hero, hitting a two-run homer in the first and an RBI double in the third. But it was Jurrjens’ game. The Jays didn’t get a baserunner until a hit with one out in the fifth, and he got a double play to erase that batter. He walked one in the next inning, but again got a double play. Toronto would get two more hits, one in each of the next two innings, but both runners were stranded. Jurrjens struck out three, got fifteen ground balls, and threw 69 strikes in his 104 pitches.

The Braves added an insurance run after a leadoff triple from Brandon Jones in the seventh. They had a couple of other scoring chances, but couldn’t do anything, leaving eight men on base, and if Jurrjens hadn’t been so dominant it could have come back to bite them. Gonzalez pitched the ninth in another Atlanta Save situation.

Chipper and Escobar are still out, as is Infante. Norton did a good job in the DH role, with two hits and a walk. KJ was 0-5, but it happens. Francoeur was 0-4, struck out twice, and sucks. Everyone else had at least one hit.

62 Responses to “Braves 4, Jays 0”

  1. 1
    braves14 Says:

    Great game for Jair.

    So, with a lefty pitching tomorrow, either Norton or Francoeur will probably bat third in addition to other batting order atrocities.

  2. 2
    ububba Says:

    Not much else to say.

    This one reminded me of so many wins we had during the glory days of our Cooperstown Rotation—very matter of fact, but the other club having very little chance.

  3. 3
    Douglass Says:

    What’s our opinion on Escobar?

    Do we really think he tweaked his shoulder the other night? Is it disciplinary for acting like a baby? Did we just want to get Lillibridge some reps in hopes that he’d do something and we could sell high?

    Surely he’ll play tomorrow against a lefty?

  4. 4
    Parish Says:

    How do we win these games with no lineup?

    I mean – starting Norton, Francoeur, Lillibridge, Gotay and Brandon Jones. Craziness.

  5. 5
    Parish Says:

    Ramon Vasquez just left the bases loaded for the Rangers, striking out on a 3-2 pitch.

    Still 7-6.

  6. 6
    c. shorter Says:

    We shouldn’t win too many with that lineup. But we’ll take it when we do.

  7. 7
    Douglass Says:

    Bobby on Jair tonight: “I don’t think you can pitch better than that. That’s one of the best games I’ve seen pitched ever.”

    “J.J. was completely dominating tonight.”

    “Most of his starts have been on the great side this year. I would say this one was excellent though.”

  8. 8
    Douglass Says:

    Just replayed the interference call in the 3rd again. Unlike last time, it really was a bad call.

  9. 9
    Hanan Says:

    Great win considering who we had to run out there tonight. Jair did a great job of keeping a pretty anemic team down, and Tex got the big hits. We’ll need someone to step up offensively again tomorrow as I expect we’ll have to work around a lower end buzzkill of Corky, Frenchy and possibly Lillie, who had a good AB late in the game.

    As for our daily Frenchy observations, I once again observed him miss several really good hitters pitches. This is as disturbing as anything, as he is basically a hanging slider hitter right now at best. He’s all fouled up mechanically and in the head.

  10. 10
    Smitty Says:

    So my television picture is hour glass shaped all of the sudden.

    Thoughts on fixing this?

  11. 11
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Whack it on both sides.

  12. 12
    Smitty Says:

    Phillies are down

  13. 13
    Smitty Says:

    The whacking didn’t work

  14. 14
    Douglass Says:

    The whacking didn’t work?

    Face all your speakers towards the floor and crank some Barry White.

  15. 15
    Smitty Says:

    THis really sucks

  16. 16
    Bethany Says:

    If you go to your picture settings, you might can fix it.

  17. 17
    oldtimer? Says:

    Smitty, a new tv or old school? new HDTV have reset buttons on them usually.

  18. 18
    Bethany Says:

    Yeah, a hard reset might do the trick.

  19. 19
    'Rissa Says:

    Someone mentioned on the last thread a story about the guys in the clubhouse laughing over someone saying Lillibridge is better than Escobar. Is there a link to this story?

  20. 20
    ricflair Says:

    Why does DOB get so pissed off at the people commenting when does his blog? All he does most of the time is argue with them.

  21. 21
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Someone mentioned SI saying that Lillibridge was better, but I’ve never seen that. Baseball Prospectus wrote that Escobar wasn’t good enough to hold his job, wasn’t a plus defensive player, and could be passed by Lillibridge by August.

  22. 22
    ububba Says:

    Sometimes you gotta trust your eyes, too.

    First time I saw Lillibridge I thought, “What’s the big deal?”

    Whereas, after a few games with Yunel, I thought, “This guy is a player.”

  23. 23
    Smitty Says:

    The TV is about 13 years old. I have done all I can think of, it must be an internal problem.

  24. 24
    Mac Thomason Says:

    13? Yeah, you need a new TV.

  25. 25
    Dan Says:

    My television still works and I got in 1984 used.

  26. 26
    Smitty Says:

    Where can a get a good deal on TV’s?

  27. 27
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Depends on what you want. Last time I bought a TV I just went to Target. If you need one tonight you probably have to go to Wal-Mart.

  28. 28
    Mac Thomason Says:

    If you can afford a few hundred bucks, the Olevia HDTV I have (retail about $600) is pretty good.

  29. 29
    Smitty Says:

    How is Target for TV’s?

  30. 30
    Smitty Says:

    Phillies lose!

  31. 31
    ryan c Says:

    internet…good deal on everything. it’s like the world’s biggest walmart. just make sure and look at the reviews.

  32. 32
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Pretty good, last I checked. You can get something pretty decent for $200 if you want an old-fashioned tube.

  33. 33
    ububba Says:

    Got some help out of the Rangers & Yanks tonight. Of course, the Phils made it interesting in the 9th.

  34. 34
    Brian J. Says:

    Rangers hold on to win 8-7. Just 3 GB now.

  35. 35
    braves14 Says:

    The Braves have the 3rd best run differential in the NL, behind just the Cubs and Phillies.

  36. 36
    Godot Says:

    I gave my TV away, and watch everything on my computer now. Very convenient.

  37. 37
    mraver Says:

    The thing with Escobar is (to my knowledge, entirely) derived from a comment made by Joe Sheehan, one of Baseball Prospectus’s writers in a column he did previewing the NL East, in which he made the comment that he thought giving the starting job to Escobar was a bad move, but one the Braves would be able to correct mid-season by turning things over to Lillibridge. IIRC, PECOTA was also projecting a slightly better line out of Lillibridge than Escobar (Esco had better defense while Lillibridge would out-hit him).

    FWIW, a lot of people in the scouting community expected Lillibridge to be a lot better than he has been thus far, and while his defense has been tops in the league, Escobar has hit for very little power. If he hadn’t improved his walk rate, his line would be pretty mediocre.

    As it stands, he’s a fine leadoff hitter, and I don’t think the Braves are in any rush to make room for Lillibridge. :-)

  38. 38
    Robert Says:

    I can’t imagine anyone watching both play and concluding Lillibridge is/will be better. What is it that Lillibridge is supposed to do well?

    Not that I believe that Sheehan has seen either play.

  39. 39
    Joshua Says:

    Wow, not a single team in the NL Central or NL West won today. That is just sad.

  40. 40
    Trace Says:

    Escobar’s power is not much worse than Renteria’s. We’re not asking him to bat cleanup but when he’s in there the lineup looks a whole lot better. Lillibridge looks like he’s 15 and I haven’t seen much out of him, especially defensively.

  41. 41
    Robert Says:

    Wow, not a single team in the NL Central or NL West won today. That is just sad.

    So you don’t have a good feeling about the Dodgers 1-0 lead? Should I call my bookee?

  42. 42
    ububba Says:

    So far, Lillibridge has been overmatched by major-league pitching and he’s been pretty underwhelming at short. He’s one of the 3 guys I least want to see at the plate with the game on the line (along with Corky & Frenchy).

    And I’m pretty sure Yunel will enjoy a long major-league career. He is one of the top 3 guys I do want to see at the plate with the game on the line (along with Chipper & McCann—yes, Yunel more than Tex).

  43. 43
    ububba Says:

    And I gotta say, I’m fairly mesmerized by the throwback unis in the San Diego-Seattle game. I mean, lordy…

  44. 44
    billy-jay Says:

    I don’t know, but I think Tex has finally realized that the season has started.

  45. 45
    billy-jay Says:

    Smitty, before you buy a new TV, make sure it’s capable of receiving digital broadcasts. Analog broadcasts will be gone next year.

    Relevant link.

  46. 46
    Stephen Says:

    Lillibridge is the most overated player the Braves have had in their farm system in many years. He is not even young (he will be 25 in September) and he has very high strikeout totals.

    The only thing that he has had going for him is that he played really well during the second half of the season–after he was promoted to Richmond from Mississippi.

    That said, it has baffled me why he still makes Braves Top 10 prospect lists or why people who I normally respect like John Sickels like him.

    There are a small number of statheads who follow the minors crunch their stats and proclaim prospects–without following the players on an individual basis. Unlike students of the Braves’ farm system these ‘experts’ could not see Morton coming, but have been ranking Lillibridge has a top 10 prospect.

    By the way I think its great because it means that his trade value could be higher….

    I would not hesitate to flip him when the time comes….

  47. 47
    Stephen Says:

    It looks like the move to make Kris Medlen into a starter may have some merit:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2008_06_27_biraax_msbaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb

    Its always nice to Schafer have a good game as well….

  48. 48
    Dan Says:

    Unlike students of the Braves’ farm system these ‘experts’ could not see Morton coming..

    Morton has some pretty “bleh” stats in his three major league starts. Let’s wait for some prolonged success in the majors before talking about Morton’s “coming”.

    Lillibridge has good speed and supposedly plays outstanding SS defense. He probably is overrated, but there are reasons why he’s highly thought of and other teams and their respective scouts want him.

  49. 49
    BobTheMonkey Says:

    @billy-jay: 45

    I don’t think they sell TVs with Analog tuners anymore. Everything you buy now either has a digital tuner, or is a monitor where you hookup to a digital cable box. I think it’s a law that you can’t sell ‘em with analog.

  50. 50
    ricflair Says:

    Smitty I think you should ask your barber about what kind of TV you should buy.

  51. 51
    billy-jay Says:

    I’m not so sure that’s the case, Bob, but I admit I really don’t know. Of course, that should only matter if Smitty is interested in receiving broadcast signals and I don’t know how likely that is. I just think if he’s shopping for a bargain, he should make sure he knows what he’s getting.

    I live in Japan, so I’m not as up on this as I could be. My TV, of course, is pretty badass.

  52. 52
    Stephen Says:

    Dan–You are right that Morton has not yet arrived as a major league starter; on the other hand, if the Braves chose to trade him at this point in time they would probably get a fair return–because by now his value has improved dramatically.

    Despite the fact that Morton pitched well in the AFL, he was completely missed by the statheads. The best clue (and at that point it was only a clue) was the way he finished 2007. Morton’s finish in 2007 meant that the AFL results were a confirmation and not a surprise. Morton’s AAA results were further confirmation of an improved pitcher; as such, this season is now part of a consistent pattern which began in the second half of last season. All of this would be easy to miss if someone just took the average of his total 2007 season….

    Sure, he has a lot of maturation ahead of him, but it is clear that he is a legitimate pitching prospect…I just wish it had not taken him so long….

    My big problem (other than his age) with Lillibridge has been the strikeouts–bad enough for a power hitter, but much worse for a hitter with only modest power, who might otherwise be able to hit second.

    Lillibridge will probably play for awhile in the major leagues, but he is no Escobar and the Braves should not hesitate to part with him if a favorable trade presents itself….

  53. 53
    Parish Says:

    Exactly, Stephen. Most “statheads” do not look at progression over a season, instead relying on season totals to tell them how good a player is. Quite a lot can change in a young man’s game over six months of professional instruction.

    I am guessing quite a few miss the AFL stats, too. And if pitchers do well out there, they may have something.

  54. 54
    desert Says:

    Smitty, be a stud

    http://tinyurl.com/2wy6qo

  55. 55
    Big D Says:

    I know somebody who has one of those TV’s. (He’s making bank as a pharmacist.) Strangest thing though: he doesn’t have cable! I’m like, what’s the point? Apparently, neither he nor his wife are home that much. Couldn’t believe it. Me and my buddies just sat in the room staring at the huge blank TV for about 10 minutes.

  56. 56
    Jeremy Says:

    Lillibridge has good speed and supposedly plays outstanding SS defense. He probably is overrated, but there are reasons why he’s highly thought of and other teams and their respective scouts want him.

    Well put.

    I’ve always thought Lilli was a little overrated. A college player that had great stats at the lower levels but hasn’t done much at the upper levels — 119 strikeouts against only 40 walks between AA and AAA last year. But, as you so eloquently point out, he still has some very valuable traits. Lets not jump the gun based on a whopping 6 games at the ML level.

  57. 57
    Stephen Says:

    Yeah 6 games at the major league level are not indicative of very much. However, his AAA numbers in 2008 are based on about 50 games and they are absolutely terrible:

    http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Brent%20Lillibridge&pos=SS&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=452121

    The odd thing is that his AAA numbers in 2007 were so much better…My hope is that it means he is a second half hitter…

  58. 58
    desert Says:

    Big screen tv… owners not at home much… and what good is it doing them, considering they don’t have freakin cable…. hmmm…. hmmmm…. will it fit in the back of your truck?

  59. 59
    Hiawatha Terrell Wade Says:

    I have a 46 inch lcd TV and don’t have cable. The only thing I’ve really watched on TV the past several years are sporting events and HBO shows. The HBO shows have dwindled (The Wire, Sopranos, etc) and you can find pretty much any sporting event online nowadays. Hook your laptop up to your lcd, and you’ve got live sports on TV. I pay for internet but not cable. The home PC and home television are merging anyway, so I feel like paying for one is plenty. I should qualify the above, though, by admiting I’m a writer and write/read much more than I watch TV. Also, my job affords me more DVDs than I know what to do with, so I’m watching those more than TV too.

    Also, Jair and Gorkys for Renteria. The Tigers may never trade with the Braves again after this one.

  60. 60
    oldtimer? Says:

    Smitty, The Olevia is a solid HDlcd TV, not a wallet buster for HD either. My parents have one of those and also a Vizio which is very good.
    I bought a 46inch Mitsubishi, it is awesome, great color, picture etc…
    When my wife saw the bill she almost threw me and the TV out of the house though.

  61. 61
    ryan c Says:

    smitty, ever tried craigslist?

  62. 62
    Bethany Says:

    I have a Samsung 30 inch tube tv that’s also HD, I got it at Best Buy for $450. Turns out Charter gives out some HD channels with basic cable if you let your TV fully program the channels.

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