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11 Apr

Not winless game thread: April 11, Braves at Astros

We don’t seem to do too well against Wandy, though.

122 Responses to “Not winless game thread: April 11, Braves at Astros”

  1. 1
    Ethan Says:

    Not sure what to expect from Delgado tonight. Anything from slightly-above-average to Albie Lopez wouldn’t surprise me

  2. 2
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Dale Murphy is going to do some Braves games this year on SportsSouth.

  3. 3
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    Being optimistic hasn’t worked out well for me so far this year, so I won’t do it.

  4. 4
    PaulV Says:

    That new SS has some power but not enough singles. That old man filled in well so Franciso could get an off day.

  5. 5
    Mike N. Says:

    Any reason Wilson is starting tonight over Pastornicky?

  6. 6
    Scump Says:

    @5-

    (Quote taken directly from CAC):

    “His line against Wandy Rodriguez is .308/.357/.500 over 26 plate appearances.”

  7. 7
    Nick Says:

    I would assume that if there’s a bench player who’s had a lot of success against that day’s starter, we’ll probably see him in the starting lineup. Fredi likes giving his bench players occasional starts, and his starters occasional days off.

  8. 8
    spike Says:

    @6, 7 even if the results date from 2009?

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/batter_vs_pitcher.cgi?pitcher=rodriwa01&batter=wilsoja02#gotresults&batter=wilsoja02&pitcher=rodriwa01&min_year_game=2005&max_year_game=2009&post=1&ajax=1&submitter=1

  9. 9
    Jeremy Says:

    Seriously, nice sample size.

  10. 10
    Nick Says:

    They’re complaining about sample size over at CAC, as well, but if Fredi’s gonna give bench players starts, I’d rather it be based on this than the dart board method. Also, I thought the plan was to ease Pastornicky in. Seems a little early to abandon that plan.

  11. 11
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    @6, 7 even if the results date from 2009?

    So, the guy that no one wanted on the team in the first place gets a day off against a really tough LHP, in favor of the backup who has had success against that LHP in his career, and we still complain? I swear to god, Fredi Gonzalez could cure cancer and bring peace to the Middle East while fucking Jennifer Love Hewitt and you boys would find something to whinge about.

  12. 12
    spike Says:

    Do you kiss your mama with that mouth?

  13. 13
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Among other things, yes. I curse in ways that would make sailors blush, in general. I’m *way* toned down for Mac here.

  14. 14
    spike Says:

    We are clearly in your debt. Thanks for keepin’ it real.

  15. 15
    Adam R Says:

    I’m fine with Wilson starting. It’s a perfectly defensible decision.

  16. 16
    Adam R Says:

    Double post.

  17. 17
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    We are clearly in your debt. Thanks for keepin’ it real.

    Welcome, Spikesey! *heartsparkdollarsign*

  18. 18
    spike Says:

    @15, I agree. I think founding that decision on Wilson’s performance v Rodriguez would be a stretch, that’s all, and I have no evidence that Fredi’s done that in any event.

  19. 19
    Mac Thomason Says:

    I still have a cold, so it’s powerful cough medicine and an early bed for me. Morning recap.

  20. 20
    ralphdibny Says:

    What are you going say to Wilson? “I’d rather you never started, but I need to give the kid some off days–might as well be today.” Of course not. You say, “Jack, you’ve had success against this guy–I’d like you to start tonight. You’ll give the team a better chance to win.” The truth value of the statement is beside the point. Just like I tell my kids, “Be good or Santa won’t bring you any presents.”

  21. 21
    D.N. Nation Says:

    “I swear to god, Fredi Gonzalez could cure cancer and bring peace to the Middle East while fucking Jennifer Love Hewitt and you boys would find something to whinge about.”

    Yeah. That he was boning JLH and I wasn’t.

  22. 22
    Bethany Says:

    YES!!!!

  23. 23
    Nick Says:

    @20

    Exactly! If you’re gonna start bench players, you might as well do it against pitchers they’ve had success against. On paper, the sample size is too small, but in reality, they’ll have confidence, which can’t hurt, at the very least.

  24. 24
    PaulV Says:

    Is Bethany the only one more interested in the game and not JLH?

  25. 25
    Adam R Says:

    Wow. I realize it’s the Astros, but that was impressive.

  26. 26
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    There’s no textual evidence that Bethany wasn’t thinking of JLH when she shouted “YES!!!”

  27. 27
    Bethany Says:

    To clarify, I was enthusiastic over Jason knocking in Uggla. I couldn’t care less who is starting at short.

  28. 28
    Bethany Says:

    Come on Ross!!!!!!!!

  29. 29
    Putter Says:

    Good thing Heyward sits against lefties

  30. 30
    jjschiller Says:

    Okay, so how will we not score here?

  31. 31
    Dan Says:

    Don’t like Wilson starts; really don’t like them the day after Pastornicky hits a home run.

  32. 32
    Bethany Says:

    GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO!!!!!!

  33. 33
    Stu Says:

    I love David Ross.

  34. 34
    jjschiller Says:

    RUNS! SWEET, DELICIOUS RUNS!

  35. 35
    Stu Says:

    And my wife can testify that I called that easy-to-foresee squeeze. :)

  36. 36
    Nick Says:

    Fredi has successfully called a suicide squeeze!!!

  37. 37
    Bethany Says:

    And the squeeze works.

  38. 38
    Putter Says:

    Wow, a squeeze that actually worked

  39. 39
    Bethany Says:

    And they try it again.

  40. 40
    Tomas Says:

    Not really sure I understand that one, but that’s nothing new I guess.

  41. 41
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    A squeeze that works is very good. A run on the board is better than an out.

  42. 42
    MikeM Says:

    Hahaha, Chip: “He has no play! …except for the out at first.”

  43. 43
    Dan Says:

    More bunts please.

  44. 44
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    @42 – For the record, I will *never* be contrarian and complain about mocking/hating/complaining about Chip.

  45. 45
    Bethany Says:

    Poor Bourne. Can’t catch a break.

  46. 46
    Nick Says:

    You’d think Bourn would have better luck in his hometown.

  47. 47
    RJ in KS Says:

    That was a fun inning.

  48. 48
    Bethany Says:

    I see that Freddie is in one of his “strikeout every at bat” streaks.

  49. 49
    jjschiller Says:

    I don’t understand a squeeze with men on 2nd and 3rd… You can’t ground into a double play, which is your worst case scenario… Plus, the pitcher was up next, to hit with a man on 3rd, one out… Maybe take a shot at driving then both in, then let your pitcher squeeze?

  50. 50
    ralphdibny Says:

    When did FF become Dave Kingman?

  51. 51
    Nick Says:

    @40

    They were both ideal times for squeezes, especially since they couldn’t have been expecting the second one.

    @49

    It wasn’t Dan Uggla at the plate, it was Jack Wilson.

  52. 52
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Thank God for the audio overlay on MLB.TV. Powell and Sutton are ten times better than those clowns on Peachtree.

  53. 53
    Stu Says:

    49—Jack Wilson cannot hit. That’s why the squeeze was a good idea, IMO.

  54. 54
    Bethany Says:

    Come on, Delgado.

  55. 55
    Nick Says:

    That’s one way to get a strike.

  56. 56
    spike Says:

    @53, you hush your mouth – I heard somewhere he was .308/.357/.500 over 26 plate appearances against Rodriguez

  57. 57
    RJ in KS Says:

    Way to get out of trouble!

  58. 58
    Bethany Says:

    Whew.

  59. 59
    jjschiller Says:

    I get the Wilson can’t hit part… I’m just saying that with two in scoring position, no out, and no forces available on the bases, most non-k outcomes would equal a run, and most safeties would mean two runs.

    I see that the squeeze scored the run, but its no more a guarantee to work than “go hit a flyball” is.. but the “go hit a flyball” technique has more upside.

    Mostly I don’t get leaving it up to the pitcher to drive in the other runner. Even with an error and a base on balls following, that man was still stranded at third.

    I just don’t like the squeeze and I don’t especially don’t like it with no out and I triple don’t like it with two in scoring position. With the pitcher on deck, I just.. whatever.

  60. 60
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Mostly I don’t get leaving it up to the pitcher to drive in the other runner.

    They were playing for one additional run there, not two.

  61. 61
    spike Says:

    I really wish they’d worked Wandy harder than 5 pitches there. But there are runs, so it’s a minor nit I suppose.

  62. 62
    Putter Says:

    Sweet…Durbin is warming up. I guess Fredi feels like 1 win in this series is enough

  63. 63
    krussell Says:

    59 – totally agree. I don’t like bunting in pretty much any situation. Outs are the most valuable commodity in baseball, and giving them away on purpose is almost never a good idea. Certainly there are times where it makes sense, but early in the game isn’t one of those times. Mostly because we *don’t know how many runs it will take to win*. Playing for one extra run towards the end of the game is more defensible.

    That said, I don’t think it’s worth whining about too much in this case, only because Wilson sucks and getting one run across with Wilson and the pitcher due up is probably not too bad an outcome. I still don’t like giving up a chance for a big inning though.

  64. 64
    spike Says:

    How about that?

  65. 65
    Stu Says:

    Yeah, outs are valuable, but you’ve sort of given up your ability to not make them by sending Wilson up there, in the first place. I honestly felt like a bunt there was the most-likely-successful-run-scoring-attempt with him at the plate.

  66. 66
    Michael Says:

    Hang the plastic tarps from the ceiling and put on your goggles: it’s Durbin time.

    EDIT: Check that. CMart time…still might want to leave the tarps up in case he’s had too much to drink.

  67. 67
    jjschiller Says:

    Well I guess I can’t argue with the “one is enough” theory.

  68. 68
    Putter Says:

    Struck Maxwell out twice

  69. 69
    Putter Says:

    Geez…maybe Durbin wouldn’t have been a bad choice instead of EOF

  70. 70
    RobBroad4th Says:

    F***ing Success.

  71. 71
    Dan Says:

    Schafer: .364/.417/.500

    Bourn: .136/.208/.182

  72. 72
    Stu Says:

    I do not feel good about this sequence of events.

  73. 73
    Jeremy Says:

    Snitkered.

  74. 74
    Putter Says:

    Real nice O’F*ckery

    Edit- whew

  75. 75
    spike Says:

    EOF got off pretty cheap there.

  76. 76
    ryan c Says:

    The Braves are treating Carlos Lee like he’s frickin’ Pujols.

  77. 77
    Dan Says:

    O’Failerty.

  78. 78
    ryan c Says:

    Yeah…it’s probably good to start trashing our reliever that appeared in 75 games last year and had a sub-1 ERA.

  79. 79
    Adam R Says:

    EOF now with a few Grybos to start the year.

    Don’t care, still one of my favorite Braves.

  80. 80
    spike Says:

    Hooray. Maybe he’ll get to be full-time now.

  81. 81
    Tomas Says:

    *epic sigh of relief*

  82. 82
    Dan Says:

    Gonzalez’s dreams of more Diaz starts takes a blow.

  83. 83
    James Says:

    I think Jason Heyward is going to be ok.

  84. 84
    Putter Says:

    Wow..good ball Jason

  85. 85
    ryan c Says:

    A J-HEY BOMB!

  86. 86
    Smitty Says:

    JHEY

  87. 87
    RJ in KS Says:

    Does that mean Jason gets a day off on Friday?

  88. 88
    Jeremy Says:

    Jack Wilson’s teeth are a train wreck.

  89. 89
    Jeremy Says:

    Hit & run w/ Wilson & Ross. Frediocy!

  90. 90
    Nick Says:

    No one’s going to agree, but hit-and-run was a decent call there, and it was pure bad luck that it didn’t work out. Just gotta shrug your shoulders and move on.

  91. 91
    Stu Says:

    It’s never “bad luck” when Jack Wilson doesn’t successfully hit.

  92. 92
    Rob Cope Says:

    And tip your cap.

  93. 93
    Putter Says:

    There is a break

  94. 94
    RobBroad4th Says:

    No matter how bad it gets, at least we’re not Astro fans.

  95. 95
    Nick Says:

    He lined it to right-center, for God’s sake.

  96. 96
    Hate King Says:

    Brian Snitker has a posse?

  97. 97
    Nick Says:

    And I did not say tip your cap.

  98. 98
    Stu Says:

    He floated it to right-center.

    He’s Jack Wilson. He should stick to sweet D and timely bunts.

  99. 99
    Adam R Says:

    I am tired of Jordan Schafer. Kimbrel, please sit him down.

    EDIT: Drat.

  100. 100
    joelk Says:

    Has something happened to mlb.tv?

  101. 101
    sdp Says:

    Jason Hewyward has to custom order his jock strap.

  102. 102
    Putter Says:

    We couldn’t do this the easy way, could we Kimbrel?

  103. 103
    RJ in KS Says:

    Where the hell are those?

  104. 104
    RobBroad4th Says:

    @102, He’s getting squeezed like crazy.

  105. 105
    Stu Says:

    Never change, sdp.

  106. 106
    Adam R Says:

    Nice. It won’t look quite as pretty as it did last year, but our ‘pen will still get it done.

  107. 107
    Putter Says:

    Wow..there ya go. Good work boys

  108. 108
    RobBroad4th Says:

    Strike six.

  109. 109
    Tomas Says:

    Ok, it counts as a win I think.

  110. 110
    Adam R Says:

    So with just the weird hit-and-run call in the ‘bad decision’ pile (up to 10 total if you’re counting at home), Fredi notches another managerial win. I liked the two straight squeezes.

    And Delgado was impressive.

  111. 111
    kc Says:

    We won!!! It would be so funny if Delgado turns out to be the best among the three…

  112. 112
    Nick Says:

    You guys are nuts. If you don’t think that hit-and-run call was OK, then you don’t think any hit-and-run call is OK, as far as I’m concerned. I’m not gonna worry too much about it since we won, but yeesh…

  113. 113
    krussell Says:

    Whew. Mets magic number remains at 157.

  114. 114
    ububba Says:

    Kept up with the game on the wonderful iPhone app. (Creeping back to normalcy, are we?) Nice to get some hits again from our better players. If Heyward keeps raking, we can be good. And Delgado made some great pitches tonight. Kid’s got some poise.

    Got to the Bowery Ballroom to see the Alabama Shakes tonight, went upstairs to get a brew at the less-busy bar & realized I was standing next to… Bill Cowher. WTF?

    BTW, if you like gritty rockin’ soul & you haven’t checked out the Alabama Shakes (from Athens, yes, but the one in Alabama), do so. Their singer, Brittany, is something else. Really belts it. Super soulful, but not Aretha-like, more greasy grits & gravy. Had the place in the palm of her hand tonight.

    http://tinyurl.com/6nk6rog

  115. 115
    mravery Says:

    Good win! Heyward’s bomb was the highlight for me.

    Kimbrel was getting HELLA squeezed there at the end.

  116. 116
    Timo Says:

    @114, just “discovered” Alabama Shakes this week and got their new album. Love it! Agree, the singer is impressive. Must’ve been a good concert.

  117. 117
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    The Shakes are from Alabama. They may have moved to Athens when they started touring relentlessly with the Drive-by Truckers, but they’re from Alabama.

  118. 118
    Stu Says:

    Right. Athens, AL, as noted by ububba.

    If you don’t think that hit-and-run call was OK, then you don’t think any hit-and-run call is OK, as far as I’m concerned.

    I mean, this is a really stupid thing to keep arguing about, granted, but…seriously? No hit-and-run calls? What about hit-and-run calls with guys who can actually hit? ‘Cause those are the kind I’m in favor of. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that.

  119. 119
    Seat Painter Says:

    Well, to finish this part of the trip 2-4 after that start, while not encouraging, is not ‘slash your wrist’ depressing.

    Heyward showing signs is of IS encouraging.

    Now let’s get on a streak!

  120. 120
    kc Says:

    ububba, what app are you using?

  121. 121
    csg Says:

    Missed most of the game, but the posts pretty much can sum it up for me. Im glad Heyward started last night, he pretty much won the game for the Braves. Fredi really needs to start using Ross’ bat in PH situations when he can. Freeman’s K totals are a bit alarming.

  122. 122
    Mac Thomason Says:

    Recap is up.

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