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14 Dec

Mike Minor (by Stu)

Mikie Minor. My boy. About six months ago, even I — seemingly the last Braves Journal regular with any hope for his future — privately confided in Alex that I thought he needed a change of scenery. Now, much to my delight, he looks like one of the most promising young pitchers in the game. Let’s start with a brief recap of his history with the Braves:

  • After a good (but, frankly, not elite) three years at the finest institution of higher learning in America, drafted with the 7th pick in the 2009 draft, much to the disappointment of the average Braves fan, considering his reputation as a command/finesse lefty and the numerous upside plays still on the board
    ed. note: right after the draft, Stu wrote him up for my old blog, Chop-n-Change. It was a great rundown; if anything, Stu was overly conservative in his projection.
  • Added three mph to his fastball in the minors and proceeded to blow everyone away, suddenly making it look like the organization knew what it was doing in drafting him
  • Showed flashes (including a 13-strikeout game against the Cubs), but generally was only OK in his work in the majors before 2012
  • Made a weird comment in 2012 Spring Training that was interpreted by some fans as a preemptive trade request, should he not make the 2012 rotation, thereby removing some benefit of the doubt he might otherwise have had
  • Was awesome in ST and April
  • Was a University-of-Tennessee-Athletic-Department-like dumpster fire in May and June, including a postgame comment blaming the defense for some of his struggles, which brought back all of those cold-pricklies from ST
  • Was awesome in July, August, September, and October.

It’s been a pretty wild ride, and he’s only turning 25 in two weeks. All of these ups and downs, when aggregated, look like a pretty solid #4 starter. His 2012 numbers: 179 1/3 IP; 4.12 ERA (97 ERA+); 4.38 FIP; 4.32 xFIP; 7.28 K/9; 2.59 K/BB; 1.30 HR/9. (Not all that off his career numbers, which makes sense, given that almost 60% of his career innings came this year: 302 2/3 IP; 4.37 ERA [90 ERA+]; 4.03 FIP; 4.04 xFIP; 7.88 K/9; 2.73 K/BB; 1.16 HR/9.)

Like BJ Upton (like most players?), though, the aggregate doesn’t seem to paint a picture of who Mike Minor was at any given moment. In 2012, he was either top-of-the-rotation quality or belonging in Gwinnett, with very little in-between. His monthly FIP:

Mar/Apr.: 3.28
May: 8.23
June: 5.77
July: 3.53
August: 3.72
Sept./Oct.: 2.68

I don’t pretend to be a pitching expert, and I’m a total amateur at statistical analysis, but what my eyes told me seems to be backed up by the data: He got bombed when he nibbled (fell behind hitters, leading either to walks or runs in bunches off of gopher balls), but he was really good when he had his command. His monthly K/BB and HR allowed:

Mar/Apr.: 3.75; 3
May: 1.62; 10
June: 1.24; 5
July: 6.50; 4
August: 3.80; 3
Sept./Oct.: 3.11; 1

Now, did he figure out some secret that he’ll be able to keep with him, making those good K/BB (and FIP) months the norm, or will he have extended periods where he loses his command again and is the worst starter in the league? I have no idea. And as you can see, he’s a little homer-prone even when he’s going well. But when he’s on, he’s really good — I’m banking on his mastering his command as he enters his prime and being a legit #2 starter. Per FanGraphs, he was worth 1.4 wins in 2012, and that was with two insanely-bad months. Three- or four-win seasons don’t seem all that unlikely to this fanboy.

I don’t see much of a platoon split — against lefties, his results are slightly worse, but his peripherals are slightly better. Surprisingly (to me), he threw a lot more breaking balls and a lot fewer changeups last year than he had in the past. The changeup was his out pitch in college and was the reason I thought he could be successful in the pros. I would look for that changeup percentage to go back up a bit this year. His fastball velocity (90.9) seems to have settled between what it was in college and what it jumped to in the minors, but as long as he’s commanding it and his secondary pitches, that’s plenty-fast. Some noted that he really struggled with men on base in 2012, suggesting a mechanical flaw — while his K/BB numbers were noticeably worse with runners on, his HR% was actually better. I don’t know what these trends mean or whether they’re likely to continue. It’s unclear why I even bothered discussing these findings.

Anyway. He’s probably never going to be a real fan-favorite, because he’s so introverted and expressionless, but he could be a very valuable pitcher. It’s fair to say that my hopes for Mikie are quite high.

104 Responses to “Mike Minor (by Stu)”

  1. 1
    Smitty Says:

    “Was a University-of-Tennessee-Athletic-Department-like dumpster fire”

    He wasn’t THAT bad!

  2. 2
    Coop Says:

    I didn’t know Minor went to UGA.

    Nice, Stu. Thanks.

  3. 3
    Marc Schneider Says:

    Even if Minor does become a very good pitcher, it doesn’t mitigate the fact that the Braves likely passed (at least potentially)better players because of money. And they seem to do that every year.

  4. 4
    csg Says:

    Nice job, Stu.

    Ill move this over to this thread…

    Trumbo for Teheran/Delgado + Venters/EOF?

    Would either side be interested?

  5. 5
    clarke Says:

    Great write up Stu. Hoping for a big Minor year.

  6. 6
    csg Says:

    Of course his downside is below average defense, K%, low OBP….upside is age, 30HR’s/100RBI+ bat, and can somewhat play multiple positions.

    He made some big improvements last season from 2011. On August 1st his slash line was .298/.351/.587. Not sure if an injury or fatigue caused the slump towards the end of the season.

  7. 7
    Bethany Says:

    @4 I’d be interested in that, but I’m emotional and reactionary.

    Great job, Stu! I’m optimistic that your faith in Minor will pay out and he’ll be an important part of our team for years to come.

  8. 8
    justhank Says:

    It just seemed to me that Minor (FINALLY!!) decided about half-way through the year that he was going to challenge hitters and pitch ahead in the count. Boldness works sometimes.

    Once he did that, he became that most valuable of pitchers – hard throwing lefty who eats innings and keeps you in the game.

    He went from whiny to macho almost overnight.

    He’s now on my untouchable list. (Not ahead of Avilan, of course.)

  9. 9
    ryan c Says:

    I still think Soriano would be a good 2 year fit if the Braves only have to pay 10m of his contract.

  10. 10
    Justin Says:

    Tom Glavine was an introverted, expressionless lefty who had plenty of fans. Minor will win more fans as his consistency improves.

  11. 11
    Stu Says:

    3—Strange take. If he’s really good, it mitigates quite a bit. Look at the guys drafted behind him in ’09. Also, I think it’s a bit too cynical to chalk it up to a purely-financial draft pick — seems pretty obvious that they saw something they thought they could work with.

    4—My initial reaction is: No way. But I could probably be talked into it, especially if it’s the Delgado/EOF half of your proposal.

    8—I really don’t think there was a “decision” to start challenging guys. I think something was either mentally or mechanically wrong (or both), and once he made an adjustment or two, he found his command and was able to start challenging guys.

  12. 12
    Kevin Lee Says:

    Well done, Stu.

    “It’s fair to say that my hopes for Mikie are quite high.”

    Kinda says it all.

  13. 13
    Nick Says:

    I accidentally posted this in the other thread just now instead of this one, but why would the Angels trade Trumbo if they don’t have to? Sure, they might do it if they get bowled over, but he’s under team control for several more years. What a luxury to be able to play around with him off the bench or to be able to play musical chairs with the DH! And given how overvalued prospects are right now, I don’t think anybody’s gonna pony up enough to make it happen. Trumbo’s basically screwed.

  14. 14
    zig Says:

    Quality write-up.

    Somewhere along the way, sir–perhaps at “the finest institution of higher learning in America”–they taught you to write.

    To think I used to have to get my Braves fix from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution…. This interweb thing-ie has its uses.

  15. 15
    csg Says:

    Well know they have Bourjos (who I dont want) Trumbo, Wells (who know one would take), Hamilton and Trout. They also have Morales and Pujols playing musical chairs with 1B and the DH spot. Someone has to get traded I would think. Trumbo would probably net the biggest return and Im sure they want to have the DH spot ready for Pujols and/or Hamilton in a few years. They dont “HAVE” to trade him, but they might.

  16. 16
    Adam R Says:

    If the Angels can’t shore up their rotation with one of those guys, they’ll probably just wait to trade one of them. I doubt that a package headed up by Delgado gets it done, but I wouldn’t say no to Trumbo.

  17. 17
    csg Says:

    I actually wouldnt say no to Morales either. Switch hitter, decent OBP and power

  18. 18
    Stu Says:

    Morales hasn’t played in the OF since 2008.

  19. 19
    csg Says:

    I knew he had played some RF some, but didnt know it had been that long. Id think he’d be the one to be moved then if he’s just limited to 1B and DH.

  20. 20
    timo Says:

    Great writeup. Thanks, Stu.

  21. 21
    ryan c Says:

    Nice tweet from Peanut: Anibal Sanchez will get an average annual salary of $16m over the next 5 years. Projected ’13 Braves rotation will cost about 18m.

    Perspective.

  22. 22
    csg Says:

    Isn’t Trumbo their starting left fielder?

    Not sure, its Bourjos/Wells/Trumbo for the one spot.

  23. 23
    spike Says:

    Cameron wrote a piece on the Angels OF options yesterday – http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/hamilton-fallout-trade-bourjos-trumbo-or-morales/

  24. 24
    jjschiller Says:

    If you had Wells, Bourjos, and Trumbo to choose from, would you send Trumbo packing?

    It seems obvious to me that they’ll Trade Bourjos, who has excess value, if a little less than Trumbo and keep Wells as a very expensive 4th OF, or they’ll release Wells and keep Bourjos in a roll he’s well suited for, defensive specialist 4th OF who can enter games late as a PR and stay on and turn their defensive OF into the best in the game for two innings.

    They’ve got like 4 guys making 18-25 mill. They don’t NEED to trade anybody. They’re looking to win a championship. Their priority seems “Best Roster Possible,” rather than “Best Allocation of Resources Possible.”

  25. 25
    jjschiller Says:

    I also want to say, excellent write-up. Stu treated all of us doubters very graciously. (The words I remember coming from my own mouth were “GET MIKE MINOR OFF MY TV!”) I saw “Mike Minor, by Stu” half-expected Stu’s Vandy Revenge. I hope Mikie has a long, successful Braves career, and every five days continues to rub my nose in my own impatience and irrationality.

  26. 26
    csg Says:

    Forgive me in advance for this, but sports really doesnt matter today. Whats taking place in Conneticut Elementary School is just awful. Thoughts and prayers sent that way.

  27. 27
    Michael Says:

    @26 – I expressly came to BravesJournal so that I didn’t have to hear about this abomination.

  28. 28
    spike Says:

    Ditto

  29. 29
    ububba Says:

    Real nice work, Stu. I never thought I’d actually look forward to Minor’s starts, but when he got in that groove, it was a pleasure to watch him figure it out. Minor, Medlen & Beachy (eventually)–not a bad trio.

    #26
    Yeah, it’s an especially tough day to think about baseball.

  30. 30
    Parish Says:

    I think the Angels need pitching more than they need Trumbo to juggle with two other guys.

    But they want to win now. That’s why I think they would have more interest in Huddy or Maholm than Delgado or Teheran.

  31. 31
    W.C.G. Says:

    Sports matter today as much as they matter any other day, which is to say they matter to the extent we desire entertainment. Which is a valid thing, no matter what’s on the news on a given day. The “sports don’t matter today” trope (often pushed by sports media themselves) on Big Bad News Days drives me up a wall, honestly. Sports never mattered to start with, except that they always did to those of us who let them. But however we answer that question, let’s not let it blow in the wind based on whatever’s on CNN that day.

    Because the truth is, every day, every country around the world is full of small-scale horrors and tragedies that don’t each have the individual news value of something like a mass shooting, but collectively add up to orders of magnitude more human suffering. And that’s not to diminish the horror of mass shootings, which capture public attention because of the vulnerabilities they expose; it’s just the sabermetric truth about the banality of evil.

    So if sports don’t matter on a mass shooting day, they never did. Which is a valid perspective, but I don’t think it’s an opinion held by anyone who bothers with this board.

    We as 21st-century mass-media consumers have a weird relationship to tragedy-at-a-distance, is I guess where I’m trying to go with this without turning it into too heavy of a wall of text. We’re horrified by its highest-profile examples but inured to its (far greater) daily drumbeat.

  32. 32
    ububba Says:

    Well, in the journalism world, that’s why they call it the “toy department.”

  33. 33
    Hap Says:

    @29 – when I read “Minor, Medlen & Beachy” I had an image in my mind of young Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz. Warmed my heart.

  34. 34
    Marc Schneider Says:

    @31,

    Well said. There’s enough misery of all kinds in the world. That was really Bob Costas’ point when he was talking about the Jovan Belcher shooting; he was trying to refute the notion that we need tragedies to put sports in perspective. Well, we should know that there are always things more important than sports; there are things more important than almost everything we do, but you still live your life and care about those less important things. Otherwise, you would go nuts.

  35. 35
    Parish Says:

    @33 – Unlikely as it is that any trio match what we Braves’ fans had, I hope that’s true.

    However, if it is close to the case we will also need a young (new) Ted Turner to keep them all together for 10 years.

  36. 36
    ububba Says:

    Apparently, the Mets are close to trading RA Dickey to Toronto.

  37. 37
    Mark Graybill Says:

    What bothers me about the “sports don’t really matter” trope is, aside from its cliche-ness, is how disingenuous it is coming out of sports casters’ mouths. FWIW, I came on here earlier today also looking to escape the harsher realities of the world for just a little while.

    Re: the impending R.A. Dickey trade, I’m curious what people here think. To me, it’s unwise on the Mets’ part.

  38. 38
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    I think it’s extremely unwise. R.A. Dickey is the reigning Cy Young winner and they could have him back for $30 million. Zack Greinke hasn’t won a Cy Young in three years, and he signed for five times that. It is insane to me that they aren’t extending him.

  39. 39
    sansho1 Says:

    As with most any trade scenario, it depends on what they’d be getting, and also what their organizational strategy (which historically has been…muddled at best) going forward is going to be. There is a rationale for trading him — they don’t seem to me to be all that close to contending right now. And I don’t necessarily trust that gaudy 2012 K rate.

  40. 40
    jjschiller Says:

    I absolutely believe the Mets should trade him. The most I’d want to extend him for would be 3 years, and the Mets can’t really expect to build a championship contending club in the next three years.

    That said, he is absolutely right to not offer a team-friendly extension to his new club before he gets there. He offered a very friendly deal to the Mets, and they balked. He’s supposed to offer that same team-friendly deal to a new club where he’s never played, in a city he’s never lived and he’s to just assume, one year before his first real chance at a free agent pay day, that he’ll be happy there?

    They should trade him, and should only expect a value in return commensurate with his contract status. They shouldn’t expect to get value back as if he was on a three-year team-friendly deal. He wanted to be on a three-year team-friendly deal, and you clowns low-balled him.

    They should trade him. Then he should walk at the end of the year.

  41. 41
    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    His K-rate may decline, but he’s been an incredibly good pitcher for three years now — a 2.95 ERA (129 ERA+) in 616 2/3 innings since the beginning of 2010. Even if the Mets won’t be good any time soon, if they can get a pitcher of that caliber at that price, you have to do it. The only way to get better is to stockpile undervalued assets.

  42. 42
    kc Says:

    Great job Stu, I have high expectation on Minor too. However, I am afraid that he may turn into the pitching version of Kelly Johnson in respect of consistency.

    AAR, is trading for prospects a way to realize undervalued asset? Until we know the details of the trade, I will stop short of saying whether the Mets achieve that or not.

  43. 43
    JoeCraigMcMurtry Says:

    Roadrunner homered again tonight. He’s a legitimate winter league MVP candidate, but hamstrung by playing on a crap team.

  44. 44
    Adam M Says:

    I don’t think the Mets are that far away from fielding a pretty good team – I’ve said it before, and will say it again – and so I think trading Dickey is a bizarre, borderline insane move. But then again, they’re the Mets: this is what they do. We should be thankful for their Mets-ness.

  45. 45
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    It just seemed to me that Minor (FINALLY!!) decided about half-way through the year that he was going to challenge hitters and pitch ahead in the count. Boldness works sometimes.

    I think you mistyped “boldness” when you meant to type “replacing Tyler Pastornicky with Andrelton Simmons.”

  46. 46
    csg Says:

    mlbtr…The Braves have Angels outfielder/first baseman Mark Trumbo on their radar, according to David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (on Twitter). Earlier today, it was reported that the Halos are very likely to trade either Trumbo or Peter Bourjos for a pitcher. However, Trumbo appears to be less available than Bourjos.

  47. 47
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Mark Trumbo is a RH Juan Francisco.

  48. 48
    Dix Says:

    Close friend of mine lives next door to Minor. Friend’s wife was collaborating with Mike to get Friend tickets and hotel rooms in Florida for spring training next year, so naturally I told her that Mike got traded to Colorado and she freaked out.

    He seems like a decent guy

  49. 49
    Bethany Says:

    How is Trumbo in the field?

  50. 50
    Bethany Says:

    @47 Trumbo has put up two full seasons OPS+ing more than Juan ever has. I think he’s better than Juan, clearly.

  51. 51
    csg Says:

    Below average, but he can hit 30HR’s

  52. 52
    JoeCraigMcMurtry Says:

    Actually, one can make a pretty good argument that Trumbo is not clearly better than the Roadrunner. Sure Trumbo’s 2012 2.3 fWAR is superior to Juans .6. But it came in almost three times as many at bats, while his horrible defense was partly masked by 38 starts at 1B or DH, neither of which would be regular options in ATL. Furthermore, he is a year and a half older than Juan. Prior to his age 25 season Trumbo had exactly 8 major league at-bats. Juan has already produced a great deal more at an earlier age.

    Finally, I note that Bill James projects both to have identical .810 OPSs this season.

    Trumbo is a safer bet to produce than Juan given his track record. But even so he is much less of an upgrade over the three-headed platoon than one might think.

  53. 53
    JoeCraigMcMurtry Says:

    Shorter version: what Sam said.

  54. 54
    mravery Says:

    Not to be flip, but wouldn’t a RH Juan Francisco be a useful piece on this team?

  55. 55
    jjschiller Says:

    Not that I wouldn’t take Trumbo on my team, but if you believe in Roadrunner, he’s hands-down the more useful piece. Without Chipper and Bourn, being too left-handed suddenly isn’t this team’s problem any longer:

    RH: Prado, Upton, Uggla, Simmons.
    LH: Heyward, Freeman, McCann.

    Those are our 7 definite regulars, with one position to fill. And that’s after McCann makes it back, whenever that is. Until then its even MORE right-handed, with Shrek, errm, Laird out there.

  56. 56
    sansho1 Says:

    Trumbo, if deployed correctly, is a significantly better player than Francisco.

    – Angels Stadium has been a pitcher’s park during Trumbo’s time there. His career home/road OPS split is 765/795. Turner Field was a hitter’s park last year. Francisco’s 2012 home/road split was 876/580.

    – Trumbo has no platoon differential (786 vs RHP, 767 vs LHP). Francisco is useless against LHB (806/446 career OPS split).

    – The difference in their 2012 OBP (.317 to .278) is the difference between acceptable and awful.

    – Trumbo’s terrible fielding numbers last year were completely due to his time playing RF and 3B, where he cost his team 6 to 8 runs. At LF and 1B, he was actually decent, saving his team 3 or 4 runs. Seriously, the Angels started him at third 8 times (he’d never played 3B, even in the minors), where he made a total of 10 successful fielding plays (sporting a gaudy .714 fielding percentage). We can throw that out, right? And he wouldn’t be playing too much RF for us, either.

    I’m on board with the idea. My only fear is that the gaudy HR totals might exaggerate his worth.

  57. 57
    Dan Says:

    Regardless of winter league stats, and the number of “best shape of his playing career” articles we get between now and mid-March, Francisco shouldn’t be an everyday player for the Atlanta Braves to start 2013.

  58. 58
    justhank Says:

    @45 – hah! yeah, that, too.
    ————–

    I think the Braves only hope going forward is for teams like the Dodgers and Angels to go bat guano and we benefit from the luxury tax. Damn, I’m becoming a baseball socialist.

  59. 59
    Bethany Says:

    Roadrunner wasn’t a great player for us last year and I’m a bit baffled by the sudden love for him.

  60. 60
    Dan Says:

    Roadrunner wasn’t a great player for us last year and I’m a bit baffled by the sudden love for him.

    But, but…he’s lighting up winter league!

    Soon, he’ll tear up spring training too, and DOB’s blog will crown him the 2013 NL MVP front-runner. At least until mid-April.

  61. 61
    Bethany Says:

    Best shape of his life!

    I’m hopeful that he is a useful player for us but it’s hard for me to imagine him starting.

  62. 62
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    A young, LH hitter with that kind of power is always going to be interesting and make people project what might happen if he ever shores up the rest of his game.

    Francisco is 25 and hits the ball a country mile. He’s basically a younger, LH version of Mark Trumbo. That’s not a dig at Trumbo, just a quick and easy way of explaining what Trumbo brings (power, low OBPs, too many K’s, the need to find somewhere you can hide him defensively) and what you’re likely to get out of Francisco (power, low OBPs, too many Ks, the need to find somewhere you can hide him defensively.)

    I’m not averse to trading a second tier prospect for Trumbo. You shouldn’t part with Teheran or Delgado for him, though.

  63. 63
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    I don’t know if I’ve mentioned it here, but when a player goes to the Dominican and shows the total body transformation that we’re seeing in Francisco this winter, I’m gonna call it “going Melky” or “the Melkman training regimine” until shown otherwise.

  64. 64
    sansho1 Says:

    John Lannan to the Phils. Would much prefer he exited the NL East.

  65. 65
    spike Says:

    Angels say they aren’t trading him, but DOB says we are interested….

    He’s on the Braves radar RT @GregorUhlmann: @ajcbraves any chance the braves go for trumbo?

  66. 66
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    I suspect there are quite a few players on the Braves radar that the other team is not interested in trading. The Angels want to trade Bourjos, not Trumbo. That’s because Bourjos is clearly the less useful player.

    Most other teams, including the Braves, would rather acquire Trumbo, because he’s clearly the more useful player.

  67. 67
    spike Says:

    @66, I think I would argue that the Angels would rather trade Bourjos because he’d bring back more, and that’s because he’s more useful. Trumbo provides low OBP power, in a package you liken to something we already have in Francisco. Bourjos is a top defensive CF who put up a 4.8 WAR in his lone year as a starter – and it took Trumbo two years to accumulate 4.8 WAR as a starter. If you believe in the accuracy of defensive metrics (big if), Bourjos is the more valuable commodity.

  68. 68
    DJ Says:

    @64 Agreed. I groaned as soon as I saw the signing.

  69. 69
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    If someone trades real value for Peter Bourjos I simply hope it’s not the Braves. He’s a decent flier candidate to be the next Michael Bourn in CF (maybe, as an upside) but if you’re looking to fill LF he’s useless.

  70. 70
    Smitty Says:

    Trumbo could be the RH power bat we thought Uggla would be.

  71. 71
    ryan c Says:

    IMO, a combo of Roadrunner, White Bear, and Prado would be better ofrlfensively and defensively than Prado and Trumbo.

  72. 72
    sansho1 Says:

    That may be. I tend not to consider non-elite prospects until they make it to the majors and produce, so I have a blind spot there. This does serve to cut down on the instances of being horrifyingly wrong, though….

  73. 73
    IthacaBraves Says:

    If Uggla gets off to a good start, would we be wise to trade unload him to…say…the Dodgers?

  74. 74
    csg Says:

    #71 – Dont think we should look at it that way. No one knows if Juan can get his OBP over .300 and no one knows if Gattis can hit MLB pitching yet. So having the option of Trumbo added to the group makes us better and the other two be big bench bats/role players.

    #73 – Yes

  75. 75
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    The Braves should have traded Uggla for Alfonso Soriano last year.

  76. 76
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Juan Francisco (25) career OBP: .303
    Mark Trumbo (26) career OBP: .302

  77. 77
    Bethany Says:

    @73

    Mark Trumbo career OPS: .780
    Juan Francisco career OPS: .744

    Juan and Trumbo are similar, but Trumbo has the right handedness and has been a little better than Juan and he’s done it as a starter.

  78. 78
    jjschiller Says:

    I will repeat, Heyward, Freeman and McCann are our only lefty regulars, and we don’t know when McCann will be back.

    We are not lefty lopsided anymore.

  79. 79
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    @77

    Mark Trumbo: Jan 16, 1986
    Juan Francisco: June 24, 1987

    A year and a half of development isn’t something to sneeze away. Trumbo’s a nice piece to have, if you can get him at something reasonable. But he’s basically an older, right-handed Juan Francisco who plays LF and 1B rather than 3B. They got the younger, LH version of that guy for JJ Hoover last year. That’s the price they should be offering for Trumbo this year. (That is to say, not Delgado or Teheran.)

  80. 80
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    I honestly don’t see what Trumbo brings that Evan Gattis isn’t just as likely to provide.

  81. 81
    jjschiller Says:

    Hey not to change the subject, but has anybody here ever sound-proofed a room? I’m kinda “getting the band back together” and building a practice space in the middle of a warehouse and don’t want to hear too much complaining from the neighboring units. Seems like someone here should know a few tricks.

  82. 82
    td Says:

    I would expect Trumbo to put up very similar numbers to Freddie Freeman last year with a few less walks and a little more power. Not bad, but we can do better without selling the farm.

  83. 83
    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Hey not to change the subject, but has anybody here ever sound-proofed a room?

    Of course. What happens in the torture dungeon stays in the torture dungeon, man.

  84. 84
    spike Says:

    Duct tape – turns No! No! No! into mmmm-mmm-mmm.

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    jjschiller Says:

    Haha. It’s actually a neat project so far. Filled between all the wall studs with 5 layers of carpet pad, covered the interior drywall with carpet pad, plywood ceiling, carpeted above. Still loud as all hell outside when the drums and bass are playing. Don’t know what else to do

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    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    Still loud as all hell outside when the drums and bass are playing. Don’t know what else to do.

    Push guitar and vocals up in the mix, obviously.

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    jjschiller Says:

    Fair enough.

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    urlhix Says:

    @85, Google “homemade bass trap” or something like that. Bass waves are so long (the wave of the low E on a bass guitar is something like 7 feet long) you’ll need something to slow down those low frequencies because they just pass through thinner materials.

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    jjschiller Says:

    @88 – Amazing. Why did I not know such a thing existed?

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    Jeff K Says:

    Filling wall cavities with material will not stop most airborne sounds because they pass as vibration transmission through the drywall/wall stud/drywall wall system, not through the voids in the wall system. The most effective sound isolation involves adding sound and vibration absorbing/deflecting materials between each component of the wall system — but that is an expensive remodel. As an alternative, I laid a layer of acoustic fabric over the ceiling and walls and then installed acoutical ceiling tiles (both available at Home Depot) over the fabric on walls and ceiling. This helps absorb and deflect some of the airborne sound before it enters the pre-existing wall system. [Do not paint the acoustical tiles!] If that isn’t enough, you can also add pleated fabric (think the heavy curtains you see in movie theatres) to further reduce airborne sound before it reaches the acoustical tiles.

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    Jeff K Says:

    Filling wall cavities with material will not stop most airborne sounds because they pass as vibration transmission through the drywall/wall stud/drywall wall system, not through the voids in the wall system. The most effective sound isolation involves adding sound and vibration absorbing/deflecting materials between each component of the wall system — but that is an expensive remodel. As an alternative, I laid a layer of acoustic fabric over the ceiling and walls and then installed acoutical ceiling tiles (both available at Home Depot) over the fabric on walls and ceiling. This helps absorb and deflect some of the airborne sound before it enters the pre-existing wall system. [Do not paint the acoustical tiles!] If that isn’t enough, you can also add pleated fabric (think the heavy curtains you see in movie theatres) to further reduce airborne sound before it reaches the acoustical tiles.

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    Jeff K Says:

    Opps, sorry for the double post.

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    JoeCraigMcMurtry Says:

    80- Speaking of Gattis, he just left the yard again. 11 HRs in 168 ABs with a 12/26 BB/KKs.

    Pretty sure the White Bear is legit, you guys.

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    JoeCraigMcMurtry Says:

    Nice twitter description:

    Evan Gattis acaba de conectar un jonrón descomunal, nadie en los jardines siquiera se atrevió a mirar la pelota. Se fue del estadio #Aguilas

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    jjschiller Says:

    @91- What is acoustic fabric? Like acoustic underlayment? I’m familiar with acoustic tiles, but they’re out of my price range.

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    spike Says:

    @94, that’s beautiful. I was in Honduras watching the all star game when Randy Young struck out Larry Walker on three straight. Sportscaster call: “Buenos Dias, Buenos Tardes, y Buenos Noches!”

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    Jeff K Says:

    It’s essentially a flexible version of what rigid acoustical tiles accomplish (but less effectively). Search for sound dampening fabric and you can find it. But, the fabric is designed to be placed between componenets in a wall system — here between the acoustical tiles and the existing wall system in my design. Not sure it will do much by itself. Pleated fabric curtains might be more effective if you can’t use acoustical tiles. The key in a “warehouse” type space is to reduce the sound “bounce you get in an open space. The bounce just redirects noise without reducing it, so all the noise eventually passes through to the outside or neighboring space. Filling as much of that space with soft, porous materials will minimize the bounce. Pleated fabrics, carpeting, and the like will all help.

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    Jeff K Says:

    Think movie theatre — there’s a reason that big space is full of heavy pleated ceiling-to-floor curtains, padded seating, carpeting, etc.

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    urlhix Says:

    Also, if you do an image search for “homemade sound diffuser” you will find many examples of wooden diffusers that you can build from scrap wood that will also help break up that “bounce” across many wavelengths.

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    jjschiller Says:

    Awesome guys, thank you both.

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    beege Says:

    A restaurant I used to work at had a bunch of drum-like cylinders suspended from the ceiling in the kitchen at the threshold to the dining area. They were for sound damping, probably by scattering sound waves as decribed above, but I have no idea where to find them. Also not sure if they work for drums and bass as well as they do for f-bombs and breaking glass.

    Long story short, this is probably not helpful.

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    JonathanF Says:

    Check out Auralex. Some guys I know swear by their products. they also have a full set of tutorials at their website. http://www.auralex.com

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    Sam Hutcheson Says:

    In other news, last year the AJC picked up Jeffrey Butzer’s annual front-to-back play through of “A Charlie Brown Christmas” at The EARL as a “hip event” to promote, and ever since then the wrong crowd shows up and runs what was the most beautiful event of the hipster calendar year.

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    Alex Remington (Another Alex R.) Says:

    New thread.

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